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1 posted on 07/05/2011 8:41:34 AM PDT by george76
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The government/corporate-complex uber alles.


2 posted on 07/05/2011 8:42:30 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." - Bertrand de Jouvenel des Ursins)
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"It’s a bad program. It doesn’t work. It doesn’t save fish stock.”

It was never intended to. The real purpose is reflected in the article title.

3 posted on 07/05/2011 8:44:19 AM PDT by Noumenon ("One man with courage is a majority." - Thomas Jefferson)
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Current gubmint policies crowd people into ever larger groups. It makes them more manageable ... more “controllable” if you will.

The fewer people to whom the choke hold must be applied, the easier it is to apply that hold.

If a variety of toilets are sold, and gubmint tells us to buy the 1.6 gallon, few will comply. If gubmint tells Kohler that it is now illegal to build “high-capacity” thrones, voila!, we all buy what the socialist in charge wanted us to buy in the first place.

No independent fishermen? All at once, it only takes one trip to the wood-shed for the guy who now employs them all to maintain order.


5 posted on 07/05/2011 8:51:18 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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forcing them to sell their boats and instead search for work as laborers on larger vessels.

Hey you guys in the deep Blue Lib states! THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE NEW LAWS!

HOW'S THAT 'HOPE AND CHANGE' THINGY WORKIN' OUT FOR YA?................

6 posted on 07/05/2011 8:54:08 AM PDT by Red Badger (Nothing is a 'right' if someone has to give it to you................)
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It’s the beginning of the end for small fishermen.
(replace ‘fisherman’ with ‘business’)

Corporatism is just too complicated when you have too many ‘small businesses’.


8 posted on 07/05/2011 8:55:40 AM PDT by griswold3 (Character is destiny)
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I’m no expert, but the same thing is happening here in NC. Sad to watch a way of life disappear. But then we watch the foreign trawlers sail side by side down the river, nets lowered scooping everything, impervious to the harsh regulations the citizens have to endure.

But like farmers, fishermen are an independent lot. Easy pickins for the corporates.


11 posted on 07/05/2011 9:00:11 AM PDT by myrabach
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NOAA spokeswoman. Maggie Mooney-Seus said ... if you talk to fishermen they are saying, ‘I’m seeing more fish out there than I’ve ever seen before.’ ”

knock, knock. HELLO! MCFLY!!

The "overfishing" game has been played almost as well as the "peak oil" charade.

13 posted on 07/05/2011 9:12:32 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici ("Si, se gimme!")
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And yet they continue to vote for Democrats? How do you feel sorry for people who continue to support those who are the heart of their difficulties?


15 posted on 07/05/2011 9:19:03 AM PDT by mort56
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I am curious, are these regulations being imposed on all boats that fish our coastal waters? If so OK maybe the program will work, if not why not?


16 posted on 07/05/2011 9:20:50 AM PDT by jpsb
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One of the comments following the article:

NOAA wants to build ocean wind turbines in 3000 square miles of proposed ocean leased space in traditional fishing grounds .The people that run NOAA are mostly people from environmental groups that back commercial wind .NOAA has given millions in research grants for commercial wind and fined fishermen as much as $19,000.00 for catching twenty extra fish . The state of Massachusetts is building the 100 million dollar New Bedford Marine Commerce Terminal /ocean wind port for private ocean wind contractors - NOAA wants the fishing boats out of New Bedford to continue their private agenda !


20 posted on 07/05/2011 9:36:45 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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Kinda sounds like the small farmer doesn’t it. Government will put them all out of business with all the regulations. Our government, especially this administration, uses regulations as law, instead of going through Congress as it should be.


23 posted on 07/05/2011 9:41:51 AM PDT by RC2
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And what do the large crony-capitalist owners do with the profits they make now that competition is gone? Funnel it into more campaign contributions to Obama so he makes more regulations restricting competition.


24 posted on 07/05/2011 9:42:17 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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Small independent operations are being destroyed by big government at the behest of the giant commercial fishers.

Meanwhile foreign vessels ply American waters illegally far into STATE waters.

And recreational fishing regulations are so tight you have to get a daily update to make sure you’re compliant.


25 posted on 07/05/2011 9:43:59 AM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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"...He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance."

The Founding Father declared armed rebellion against such Tyranny 235 years ago yesterday...

27 posted on 07/05/2011 10:15:48 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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When I was a kid growing up in Portsmouth, NH, my dad and I often ran our boat a few miles offshore to jig up Cod and haddock. They were plentiful. Then the Russian trawlers moved in a swept the groundfish clean. The 200 mile limit went into effect, one trawler was seized and slowly the haddock and cod began coming back. But that didn’t last. Our own boats became so good at finding fish, netting up entire schools, that the cod got bad again, haddock in close waters non-existent, flounder and even species that were never on the table like pollock disappeared by the end of the 90’s. I went 30 miles offshore to Jeffrey’s Ledge a week ago and saw two draggers essentially vacuuming fish off the bottom. This can’t go on forever, if your business is unsustainable you need to get one that works. But you don’t get to destroy an entire resource before you go under.


29 posted on 07/05/2011 10:33:45 AM PDT by Mongeaux (''I would sooner be governed by the first 2,000 names in the Boston phone directory," W.F. Buckley)
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The Obamanites are in favor of the little guy ! Right ! They would prefer you to work for a large corporation where you can be easily controlled and “managed” versus being an independent business. A person who is independent is considered a threat to our elitists society !


31 posted on 07/05/2011 10:50:30 AM PDT by CORedneck
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A superb rule of thumb is that, if you’re worried about a shortage of critters, of about any kind, then - make more critters!

Ducks unlimited was founded by California duck hunters, because there were too few ducks, and not enough good habitat for them, both to propagate in, and for hunting. So over the course of years, they slowly changed that situation, to the point where California is up to its eyebrows in ducks and such water fowl, so much so that natural controls, like communicable disease, are intervening to control their numbers.

And there is no reason in the world this can’t be done with fish. There is even a technique to do so. And it’s not particularly expensive, either.

To start with, you go out to sea far enough away from the coast so that any pollution you generate won’t matter. Then you make a wide ring of pontoons, with a small, anchored craft to guide them. Then you descend several layers of nets, to keep in your hatchery fish and keep out the predators.

The hatchery fish are well fed, parasite free, and have been fed antibiotics to keep them healthy. Put inside these nets, and fed “Purina fish chow”, in naturally aerated water whose current keeps everything clean, they grow up big and healthy.

In past the idea was that when ready for harvest, you just hoist the inner net up into a refrigerator ship to take them to a processing plant.

However, if the wild fish are depleted, you take the fish to where the wild populations hang out, and release them. They breed well with the wild fish, improving the species as well as significantly increasing its numbers.

In short order, the entire ecosystem is improved. There are more fish, and they are healthier, and they provide more food for predators, so there are soon more predators as well.

No reason to limit fishing, and such pontoon fish farms can be so productive that soon it can just specialize in breeding rarer and rarer species of fish. The majority of production will be “whitefish”, that are several breeds that people like to eat, but again, taking the pressure off of fishermen.


33 posted on 07/05/2011 11:16:56 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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"Beginning of the end for small fishermen"

I read the whole article and couldn't find the height requirement ...

I'm 5'6" ... does that mean I'm a small fisherman?

I'm so confused ...

36 posted on 07/05/2011 11:54:33 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Square Dancing - Drill and Ceremony Set To Music)
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