Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Mitt Romney as a Republican presidential candidate?

Bug Zapper ^ | May 19, 2011 | Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy Massachusetts liberal can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?

[Pan_Yan]

You forgot to mark them in Red on your list.

No, I didn't. I've seen FReepers fight about them, I've read some of their statements, I saw Pawlenty in the first debate. Neither one is in my top tier of candidates. However, I haven't seen enough evidence to put either one in the "The Republic is doomed, I'll vote third party before I vote for them even if it gives Obama a second term category." Romney, Gingrich, Giuliani, Paul and Johnson fall into that category.

[Quix]

THX THX

[Quix]

Pray before voting.

. . . and before getting up . . . walking out the door . . . driving on the street . . . shopping . . . speaking . . . lying down . . . watching, listening . . .

[WVNan]

I stand with you Boss. One thing that needs to be remembered, and that is that we not get so distracted by the presidential race that we forget to stay focused on electing Tea Party conservatives to the Senate and the House. If we stack Congress they can keep obambi under control if he or the Rinos manage to fraud the election process.

[algernonpj]

I cannot hold my nose at the polls any longer. Many people will insist that not voting for a 'Big Tent' Republican is the same as voting for Obama.

This mindset has devastated America; many people insist that conservatives must match any leftward slide in kind, the supposed logic is that we will field candidates who are unelectable if we don't. It is folly to embrace this strategy. The left will vote for the left, and will continue to use so-called RINO conservatives when it suits them.
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I wish more people truly understood this. The lesser of two evils is still evil!

[Alamo-Girl]

Yes indeed dear brother in Christ!

[Fu-fu2]

You are so right! If all else fails, we must stop the agenda....

[Antoninus]

Absolutely not.

I have said that if the GOP nominates another socialist-lite RINO--like Romney--I will abandon the GOP and actively seek out and support the most viable conservative 3rd party candidate.

Enough of this crap.

[mstar]

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy Massachusetts liberal can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?

Nope. . .

and I sure couldn't get drunk enough to vote for a liberal pro-death, pro-homo, sellout American Judeo-Christian values ticket. Not happening.

[vox_freedom]

JimRob said:

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy Massachusetts liberal can become president from the Republican party?

I am in absolute and total agreement! And this is why we so desperately need Free Republic and why it deserves our support.
The stakes are so high, and the time is getting shorter to protect our liberty, our way of life, our values, our children and our families.

Thank you JimRob for your leadership, your resolute and uncompromising positions and may God bless and keep you and Free Republic.

[sten]

compared to mccain and the rest last round? i’ll take the guy that had a record of fixing broken companies.

but he proved himself unable to handle the media. he couldn’t fight at their level, which is required.

[marbren]

Pray before voting. . . . and before getting up . . . walking out the door . . . driving on the street . . . shopping . . . speaking . . . lying down . . . watching, listening . . .

1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 (New International Version) 16 Rejoice always, 17 pray continually, 18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.

To pray continually, this is possible. It does not mean folding hands closing eyes and being on your knees at all moments of your life. It is more an attitude of breathing God in at all times in the being mode, not the having or wanting mode, in the now. It is also a lot more quietness than talking, listening for the still small voice waiting on the Lord. etc. It is hard to explain. No walls comes to mind also. being in the vine. believing in our Lord Jesus Christ.

Contentment and an attitude of gratitude are important. No pre conceived notions fit in. a willingness to put aside our common sense if faith requires it. Walking into the great unknown future knowing Jesus is right there with you and in control.

[Dead Corpse]

Even our worst RINO's are better than the liberals most Right leaning member. I'll give Willard that much.

He's better than a Guilliani, McCain, or a Dole. I'll give him that much. Nor am I one of those concerned about his religion.

Compared to Palin, West, Cain, and the others? Willard is pretty weak tea. Period.

[Quix]

INDEED.

[sten]

exactly... which is why my choice for 2012 is

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 PALIN / WEST
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[Dead Corpse]

In the best of all possible worlds... I agree.

Say a prayer for us. FReegards.

[Alamo-Girl]

Indeed. Thank you so much for sharing your testimony, dear brother in Christ!

[BlackElk]

As Blessed John Paul the Great used to say, quoting St. Paul: Be not afraid!

We have far more in the way of assets than we tend to realize. Did you expect to see the fall of the Iron Curtain and of the Berlin Wall a year before either occurred? Lech Walesa and the Polish Labor Union Solidarity (with assists from Ronaldus Maximus, Margaret Thatcher and JP the Great) and the long-persecuted people of the Warsaw Pact nations had the necessary hope and activism to make that historic change. Obamunism is not as well-entrenched as was Bolshevism.

We still have free elections, badly corrupted but free. We have freedom of speech and of the press (and media) and of assembly and the right to petition governmment for redress of grievances and of freedom of worship and that sticks bitterly in Obambam's craw and those of his sycophants. There are many even among liberals who instinctively recoil here in the US in response to any threat to any 1st Amendment freedom.

We have millions and millions of military veterans who mostly are willing to continue defending freedom in the public square as private citizens. Many are blooded veterans of warfare.

Going back to our first War for Independence and ever since, Americans instinctively and rationally hate, loathe and despise taxation, believe in their individual right to keep and bear arms and have the right to jury trials (after the soap box has failed and before the ammunition box is tried).

Even SCOTUS has come around on the 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms. Gelding the fedgov by use of the 10th Amendment will take a little longer but is no longer unthinkable.

The gummint skewels (PS 666) are still the same old ignorance factories but intellectually it is like Chinese food. It may be entertaining temporarily but does not stick to the ribs.

That is why God invented homeschooling which is effectively protected by a 7-2 decision in 1927 called Pierce vs. the Society if Sisters. The Ku Klux Klan took over the Oregon state government in that era and tried to suppress Catholic parochial schools by REQUIRING all school age children to be in PUBLIC schools during normal school hours. SCOTUS decided then and has never looked back that the content and location of a child's education is entirely up to that child's parents if THEY choose not to use gummint skewels. Protestant academies, Orthodox Jewish schools and homeschooling are all protected by the decision in Pierce vs. the Society of Sisters. Some actions for freedom are taken without fanfare but have quiet and profound effects.

In our area, parents formed their own Catholic school (some students are not Catholic), where teachers like my wife are teaching high quality morality, doctrine, skills, and classic academics. The school (K-12) has purchased and is conducted in an old public school building. There are a modestly disproportionate percentage of black and Hispanic students but the school seems never to have graduated a single kid who can tolerate much less vote for liberalism or worse. The gummint skeweled kids will need leaders and that school will provide them.

Many local priests in our verrry conservative and Catholic diocese come to the school to lecture in spite of the fact that the school has no formal connection to the diocese in spite of the fact that our bishop is a pillar of the old Faith. He is 75 and will not be bishop forever. The parents who run the school will see to its continued conservative Catholicism and choose similar folks to replace them when the time comes. Spirituality is fostered at a church in the city which is fully Catholic, protected and encouraged by the bishop, and where only the Latin or Tridentine Mass is provided by the verrry conservative Institute of Christ the King.

There is positive interfaith cooperation on matters of agreement like pro-life activity, protection of marriage (one man, one woman, no "spouses" who are household pets or space aliens or threesomes), resistance to corrosive lifestyles, etc. Catholics, Evangelicals, Pentecostals, conservative Lutherans, Assembly of God, Evangelical Free Church and non-denominational folks on those issues on which we agree and it helps all of us to have a decent respect for one another across denominational lines.

The Tea Party movement which is driving liberals further into their frenzied mental illnesses. Its leadership is too anonymous and too numerous to be treated to the usual libel and slander campaigns of the radical left and other Obamunists.

By January, 2013, we should have the White House back and Obambam in permanent exile. By then, we should have a comfortable and increasingly conservative Senate majority of Republicans. The 2012 election will choose the senators who will hold the seats that are presently 23 Demonrats (including 8 retirees and counting) and only 10 Republicans. Lugar may well be disposed of and maybe Olympia Snowe. The increasingly disappointing Judd Gregg of New Hampshire will be retired in favor of a likely improvement. Scott Brown ain't much but he is not Ted the Blowhard. Etc. The 2014 election has another impacted class of Demonrats and should give the GOP a filibuster-proof majority. We can then, ummmm, reform the fedcourts.

Those are many of the good things happening. Let us turn to the darker side of the ner future.

Bill Buckley's death has left a gaping hole not likely to soon be filled. National Review will be lucky to survive and seems very unlikely to provide the intellectual analysis and leadership and infectious humor that Bill provided. We need a flagship publication NR or otherwise. That publication and its leaders must have the intellectual gravitas to purge the movement of its embarrassing outliers as Bill did to Rand, the Birchers and and anti-Semites. The purge of Ron Paul and the paleos suggests itself as a worthy goal.

We need youth groups serving the purposes formerly served by Young Americans for Freedom, Young Republicans and College Republicans. They promoted economic libertarianism through distribution of the books of von Hayek, von Mises, Hazlitt and others without pacifist foreign policy heresies. They taught young people parliamentary procedure, other political skills, how to write press releases, how to do media events, how to organize grass roots groups, why we despise marxism, nazism and anti-semitism, who we may safely ally with among folks more liberal than we are, a decent respect for Western Civilization how to effectively strategize, how to prioritize issues, etc. My aging generation of New Rightists left the field of battle without adequate organizations that trained us being nourished and replenished after we elected Ronaldus Maximus. That was our mission. We accomplished it but we did not lay enough groundwork to continue the effort after Reagan.

We need effective liaison with non-political but culturally conservative groups. I belong to the Knights of Columbus but am concerned that the Supreme Council leadership is turning towards liberal weakness. We had a brief period of corrosive liberalism in the early 1970s under a rare leftist Supreme Knight. His misbehavior led to his replacement by Virgil Dechant, a Kansas conservative and one of our very best and most conservative leaders who served about 30 years and restored the K of C. A few years ago, Dechant retired and was replaced by Carl Anderson, a former Reagan White House staffer who is moving in numerous liberal directions reminiscent of the bad old days of the early 1970s. The Knights of Columbus is but one of millions of groups in our nation of joiners but, properly considered and utilized, such groups are the infrastructure of potential counter-revolution against Obamunism not by formal political involvement but just by being what hey were founded to be: private sector organizations infused with traditional American and Judaeo-Christian values. The Knights of Columbus has about 2 million members here and in Mexico, the Phillipines, Canada and Poland. When formerly Catholic institutions (Notre Dame University, for example, giving an honorary degree to Obambam and having him as commencement speaker) they hear from the K of C. The Illinois State K of C convention attacked and condemned Notre Dame for violating CHURCH law by inviting a pro-abort such as Comrade O to speak on campus. Think of all the other organizations, Catholic or not, that can similarly bring pressure to bear against the bad guys in their respective venues.

How many Americans belong to the National Rifle Association and to Gun Owners of America and to the Second Amendment Foundation? How many belong to genuinely conservative local, state and national taxpayers' associations? Prayer groups? Bible study groups? Automobile enthusiast groups (liberals despise the internal combustion engine)? Civil War re-enactors? Veterans' groups?

As usual, I run the risk of needlessly prolonging the agony by the length of this post. Hopefully it will be food for thought. God bless you and yours.

[BlackElk]

Please see #199 in support of your point.