Posted on 05/05/2011 5:08:20 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
Broadcast on: Fox News
Broadcast time: 9pm EDT/6pm PDT
The Candidates...
Gary Johnson
Johnson served as governor of New Mexico from 1995 to 2002. He founded what would become one of the largest construction companies in New Mexico. He has competed in several triathlons and climbed Mount Everest.
Herman Cain
Cain is the former chief executive of Godfather's Pizza and former chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. He lost the Georgia Republican primary for a U.S. Senate seat in 2004. He was recently the host of Atlanta-based radio show.
Rick Santorum
Santorum served two terms in the U.S. House and two terms in the U.S. Senate. He became the Senate's third-ranking Republican in 2001. He was defeated for reelection in 2006.
Ron Paul
Paul is serving his 11th full term in the U.S. House. He’s an obstetrician-gynecologist and was the Libertarian nominee for president in 1988. He unsuccessfully sought the Republican nomination for president in 2008
Tim Pawlenty
Pawlenty served two terms as governor of Minnesota, from 2002 to 2010. He served in the Minnesota House from 1992 until 2002. He is the son of a truck driver.
Not ready to go there yet.
Oh, The Donald takes these Presidential bids VERY seriously. We all learned that from his 2000 Reform Party bid. ::rolls eyes::
That’s not true. 4 years ago at this time, it was almost a foregone conclusion that Obama would be Hillary’s running mate. Obama was a solid 2nd in the polls virtually all of 2007.
The people on here find Pawlenty boring and they have a point. That being said, I think he might be one of our best bets.
I like Herman Cain’s position on immigration, but can we trust someone who used to be chairman of the Kansas City Federal Reserve, and who supported TARP in 2008?
He evidently kicked butt and didn’t take any prisoners at the debate. The FoxNews sample audience went for him about 80-90%, and only one person said they liked him before the event.
The praise by the attendees was superlative from a number of angles.
From what I saw of his instincts, the guy seems to get it fairly well. I didn’t sit through the whole thing, and I need to go back and watch it.
I have seen him in an interview or two, and he has done a good job.
I’m willing to listen to Federal Reserve and TARP complaints. Perhaps he had a better angle on it than I did. I thought the TARP was necessary at the time and have since realized it probably wasn’t.
The continued massive flow of funds needs to stop, and I think this guy can probably understand that better than most.
He’ll have to answer a lot more question before I come down favorably, but I’m glad to see him represent himself well tonight so he can remain viable until we know him better.
LMAO... good one.
ROTFLMAO, he actually said that? Wow.
I have absolutely no idea where he’s coming from with that one.
He always seems to. They’re always the unruly loud mouths at each event. Everyone else is quiet and polite, and the PaulBots scream and holler and make fools of themselves and their idiot stick candidate that can’t get them to behave.
I’m tired of hearing about other possible/probable GOP candidates not participating in the program on FNC (I really can’t define it as a “debate”).
Fox News established the rules for participation. The person must have already declared or established an exploratory, prior to the program.
It’s really ridiculous for GOPers to begin campaigning this early and so far in advance of the Primaries. Doing so only permits the far left media to throw dirt on them for many months.
I think it’s smart for heavy hitters like Palin and Bachmann to bide their time for a couple of months.
Loser Huck wont declare. He has a good contract with FNC and he was the one that cost Romney the nomination in 2008 by staying in the race so long and pulling votes from Mitt; only then to give those votes to Juan McCain.
Trump has a contract to keep, and may not declare at all.
Gingrich, if he has a brain, will not declare after seeing the polls and realizes that no one wants him.
Daniels is a big zero, like Gary Johnson.
People should stop pushing for Allen and Christy, as they have clearly stated they are not running (and Christy is a huge RINO (no pun intended).
I hope so.
He’ll have to answer a lot more question before I come down favorably, but I’m glad to see him represent himself well tonight so he can remain viable until we know him better.
Sounds like a good policy. We have been burned so many times....
Yeah I can understand concerns about Ron Paul but I would rather err on the side of liberty then err on the side of bigger government.
I don’t agree with everything he says or wants to do but I know he would take care of two key things:
The Fed and he would dramatically expand our personal liberty. We need to create momentum in that direction and quite frankly he is closer to what our founding fathers really were than anyone else and we need to restore our constitution it is key our existence.
Luntz is a dope. 80 to 90% of the group raised their hands when he asked who supported Cain. Luntz was flabbergasted.
He was going to ask how many liked each candidate, and started with Cain. He stopped right there and said there wouldn’t be any reason to go on.
Over 50%? Yeah..., but closer to 90.
One person raised their hand when Luntz asked who went in supporting Cain. The guy did impress.
It won’t be the same without Charles Nighthorse Campbell in the race.
Cain never won an election? Well hell, scratch him off. We all know career politicians are the only ones who care about the citizens of our nation.
LMAO Are you sure you’re on the right forum?
This is fairly normal for the Paul crew. He packs events and tries his best to sway opinion. And he does sway it. Sadly, it sways away from him. These tactics don’t win him ANY friends.
South Carolina has a bad habit of voting for candidates who can claim that “it’s my turn” to be the nominee. By supporting the “my turn” candidate every four years, South Carolina ensures that their primary will be hotly contested and produce boring results. None of the candidates who could make a “my turn” claim were here. Time will tell whether South Carolina will reward one of the others or whether the state will continue to make predictable choices.
Tim Pawlenty came into this debate as something of a “favorite” and maybe having the only “my turn” claim in the group. He has the best credentials of this group, and he was almost chosen to be John McCain’s running mate. Unfortunately, he started the night speaking as a candidate who might have the frontrunner status. He had the first question and spent a third of his time thanking everyone for being there. Overall, he gave good answers, but he didn’t always sound strong. Sometimes, he sounded more like a politician trying to hold the frontrunner position than like someone at a few percent in the polls trying to rise.
Throughout the debate, he made points that I’ve heard him make in the past, but with new people watching, making those points again is good. He generally came across as a strong candidate and good conservative. He was right to criticize Obama for being against all of the actions and policies that led to our catching Osama bin Laden. He was right to point out that Obama dithered in his response to the Libya situation. He answered the liberal talking point that he will leave Minnesota in debt by pointing out that Minnesota will only be in debt if they go back to profligate spending. He answered his previous support for cap-and-trade by admitting very openly that he made a mistake. That kind of honesty should get respect from people who want a new kind of politician.
I like Tim Pawlenty, and I’d like to see him do well in the primaries. If he develops a following throughout the country but doesn’t win the nomination, he could be a very strong VP choice. He would also be in a good position to run in 2016. Many people seem to dismiss him because he doesn’t seem tough enough to confront liberals when necessary. Sometimes the best or even only approach to a liberal is to administer a hard smack down. However, anyone who wants to be effective cannot always be in that mode. Tim Pawlenty can be effective in office because he’s not breathing fire in every public appearance.
Rick Santorum helped himself more in this debate than any of the other candidates. He gave strong answers on both foreign and domestic issue questions. His distinction between tactical and strategic decisions was excellent. He did a good job of making a distinction between affirming women who stay at home and not condemning women who work. He did a good job of explaining how the Medicare drug benefit was supposed to fit into an overall reform of Medicare. He did a good job of explaining that Islam needs a “Reformation” movement. He reminded people that he was a big part of the original welfare reform back in the 90’s. His biggest weakness may be that he appeared to be scowling through much of the debate. While a sour expression doesn’t make anyone a bad executive or bad president, inability to appear friendly will hurt him on the campaign trail.
I have mixed feelings about Rick Santorum. I’ve always seen him as an intelligent man who generally stood for the right policies. I still believe that he would have been the best choice for John McCain’s running mate in 2008. His problem is that he comes across as too much of a religious authoritarian. Many of us would love to see our country’s Christian heritage defended. We’re not interested in the government funding indecent “art” exhibits. We’re not interested in tearing down displays of the Ten Commandments. On the other hand, we think freedom means more than just picking which church we’ll attend on Sunday morning. Rick Santorum sometimes doesn’t seem to appreciate that not everyone wants to live a life of strict religious observation.
People are saying that Herman Cain won the debate, but I don’t see how they come to that conclusion. He wins the one-liner competition for the night by asking “how’s that working out for you” about electing presidents who have held elective office. Of course, the counter is that in 2008 we elected the guy who had the least experience of any candidate in 50 or maybe 100 years. He’s not working out for us, so we should be rightly suspicious of another “fresh face.” When asked about Afghanistan, Mr. Cain pleaded that he didn’t know enough to make a decision. The point of the question is not that he’s going to set national policy during a one-minute answer in a debate. We’d like to see what he’s learned as a private citizen and how he’s processed that information. People talk about what a great speaker he is, but he was often twiddling his thumbs on the podium. A nervous mannerism doesn’t negate the substance of his beliefs and qualifications, but I didn’t see him as a great speaker. Otherwise, his answers were fairly standard conservative answers.
I like Herman Cain, but he’s not a strong candidate for president. Being a CEO is similar to being president. Both are executive positions, but they aren’t the same. His having been a CEO means that he understands business, but he will have to learn about the powers and limitations that an executive in government faces. I’m not impressed with his speaking ability. I’d be proud to support him against Obama, but he’s not our best choice.
Gary Johnson complained that the panelists weren’t asking him questions, and he spent the night being the guy who didn’t seem to belong. When they asked each candidate to talk about a candidate who didn’t attend, they stuck him with a question about Donald Trump and what a reality TV show about him would show. Some of his answers showed why he didn’t seem to belong. He opposed the war in Iraq and would withdraw troops from Afghanistan immediately. He wants to legalize drugs. He would allow much more immigration. He would allow abortion until the fetus is viable outside the womb but would end all late-term abortions. His stand as a free trader isn’t out of line with Republican orthodoxy, but he never answered how he would deal with China’s currency manipulation. His positions on the issues aren’t completely crazy. As he explains his positions, he shows some good thought processes. He didn’t get much chance to talk about his business background, but he’s the one candidate who started from nothing and built a business.
Of all of the candidates, Gary Johnson is probably the one whom I would enjoy most as a friend. He’s summited the highest points on four of the seven continents including Mount Everest. He spoke about doing things outdoors when he talked about a reality show. He doesn’t have a tough guy image, but there’s no other politician who could stay with him in most athletic pursuits. He doesn’t have a businessman image, but no one else in the race has gone as far after starting with nothing. He’s realistic, honest, and respectful about his stand on abortion even though he knows that stand will be unpopular. The people who share his positions politically within the GOP are already committed to Ron Paul, and he wouldn’t win the nomination even without Ron Paul in the race. I hope he’s not planning a Libertarian Party run. Maybe he’ll run for senator in New Mexico someday, but the debate organizers will probably try to make excuses to exclude him as soon as possible.
Ron Paul was Ron Paul. Bret Baier asked the audience not to interrupt with applause because doing so took time from the candidates. His supporters interrupted with applause for him. Ron Paul continued his foolish assertions that we shouldn’t be involved anywhere else in the world. He makes the proper distinction between state and federal issues, but that distinction is often lost.
In many ways, I still like Ron Paul. I would like to see the scope and cost of the federal government reduced. I would like a greater return to strict Constitutional principles. At the same time, I recognize that the Constitution didn’t quite cover everything as specifically as the libertarians would like. For instance, the Constitution didn’t specifically say that the federal government could buy land from other countries. Strict libertarians would say that without specific permission, the government shouldn’t buy land. However, Thomas Jefferson made the Louisiana Purchase, and history has vindicated that action. At some level, Ron Paul has to know that he’ll never be president. Why does he keep running? I like him enough not to believe that he’s running just to raise money from donors. I guess he keeps some young people involved in the Republican Party, but many of them are not supporting candidates who can actually win. I don’t understand why he’s still there.
The Republican Party will need to find balance in 2012. The rise of the Tea Party movement since 2009 has brought tremendous energy to the party, but many Tea Party folks are looking for candidates who are more than just the usual politicians. In some cases, they rightly desire a candidate who will make tough decisions and take tough stands. At other times, they seem more intent on finding candidates who have a combative style than on candidates who can substantively advance their stated goals.
I keep thinking about the Delaware senate race in 2010. I’m not sorry that Mike Castle wasn’t nominated and elected to the Senate. If he’d won, he’d have spent the next eighteen years sitting in the Senate selling out Republicans as Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe do. We don’t need his kind. On the other hand, I don’t trust Christine O’Donnell. She seemed to be an “empty suit” media creation trying to parody conservatism. Even if she really believes what she claimed, she was a candidate who could never win moderate and independent voters. Liberal Republicans will point fingers at the Tea Party movement for nominating her and say that they cost Republicans a senate seat. Conservatives see no point in having a senate seat occupied by a male Susan Collins.
Imagine Delaware Republicans nominating someone who had struck a balance. Imagine nominating a candidate who had some real accomplishments in life. Imagine nominating someone who wouldn’t stab Republicans in the back on many of the most important votes but wasn’t so combative that only red-meat, foaming-mouth conservatives would support him or her. If Delaware had found and nominated that candidate, the US Senate would be one seat closer to Republican control and would have made that step without giving up a vote on many big issues.
The challenge in 2012 will be to find a candidate who strikes that balance. This debate needs to be considered in light of finding that candidate. Ron Paul and Gary Johnson’s positions on a few issues are too far outside mainstream GOP positions for either to represent the party. Unlike a Christine O’Donnell type, Herman Cain has tremendous accomplishments in life. He’s not an empty suit in any way, but a complete newcomer to political office doesn’t strike the balance. Rick Santorum reminded us that he’s a serious, intelligent man who understands issues. He showed himself more balanced than I expected, but he isn’t going to get that many independent and moderate swing votes. Because I like Tim Pawlenty, I have a hard time finding much fault with his performance, but he was probably too far on the politician side of the scale to draw much support tonight.
I can't argue with that.
Among the weirdness, there was one Johnson idea that stood out for me:
Clearly not of the "earned citizenship" W/McCain/Graham amnesty camp, he had a different approach on immigration that of a guest worker only program.
I think it's an idea too quickly dismissed. What I don't understand is his premise that illegal immigration's somehow a job creator. He didn't have time to lay the premise.
Unfortunately, we've had so many years of Repubicrats and Demicans promising citizenship (for votes), it's hard to imagine anything less than amnesty being accepted as immigration reform. We've largely been saved by the parties' unwillingness to share "victory." The debate needs to move in the other direction, away from amnesty.
It's good to see AZ and Jan Brewer having stood up to the feds. With the cartel death squads killing thousands per year and now Hezbollah setting up in Mexico near the border, we, as a Americans, need stand up to those constantly framing the discussion in terms of racism.
Despite repeated rejections of the DREAM Act by Congress, Obama's ICE behaves as if it's law. This is unacceptable but such fiats are par for the course with this imperial president.
At the moment, my pipe dream is to watch a Herman Cain vs. Barack Obama debate.
No teleprompters allowed.
I particularly liked your observation on Santorum: he comes across as too much of a religious authoritarian.
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