Posted on 05/03/2011 4:46:53 AM PDT by Huck
Yesterday should have been a glorious day around here. There should have been fireworks and celebration. There should have been somber remembrances. There should have been patriotic tributes. There should have been shared joy at the news that our guys had finally gotten Bin Laden.
Instead, when I visited the site, what I found was a lot of carping. I found people focused more on the political spin than on the great news. I found people transferring their birther mentality onto this event, talking about Obama faking this news, photoshopping information, etc. It wasn't everybody, but it was a LOT of people. It made me sick.
Yesterday Free Republic seemed like DU. It makes me wonder what the hell is going on. Are Freepers getting younger? I always assume that DU is so pathetically immature because they must be younger. Free Republic has always been a place dominated by great class, and wit, and decency. Not this time. What I saw yesterday was a pathetic embarrassment and totally unworthy of this great forum.
As some of you may know, I was in lower Manhattan on 9-11. I was just across the street from the WTC when the first plane hit. I still remember the beautiful clear blue sky that day. I remember walking in between the towers just a minute or so before 8:46am, on my normal route to work. I remember my co-workers screaming in panic when they watched from an office window as the second plane hit the south tower. I remember women crying and screaming hysterically. I remember not being able to contact my wife to tell her I was OK. I remember people jumping to their deaths. I remember seeing the north tower go down with my own eyes, hearing it with my own ears. I remember fleeing Manhattan. I remember it was a Tuesday.
I remember returning to work the following Monday, riding the ferry passed the site, noxious smoke still billowing from the wreckage. I remember armed troops on the sidewalks. I remember wearing a breathing mask inside my building because the foul odor was seeping in through the ventilation system. I remember thinking we'd really gotten kicked in the teeth. They had killed innocent people, they had traumatized our women and children, and I really wanted revenge. I hung a picture on my wall of the American eagle sharpening his talons.
It has been a long time since that day. It's hard to believe how fast time flies. Then again, if you lost your loved one, I imagine time hasn't gone so fast. I love my wife so much, I can empathize with anyone who has lost the one they love. I can't imagine how that would be, and don't want to know, but I can cry for those people because I know what it is like to find your one true love.
I'm not an Obama fan. I hate socialism. But I am so happy that Bin Laden is killed, and that we have exacted some real revenge. It's about time. The politics don't even play into it for me. I still have the little flag, now tattered, that I flew on my car antenna after 9-11. I want to take it out of storage and put it on my car. I want to see American flags on cars like we saw back then. But it's not going to happen, and partially because the normally patriotic conservatives such as the ones here on Free Republic are instead focused on the politics and the fact that a socialist Democrat was president and will get some of the credit.
I guess you all would have been pissed on D-Day too. FDR was as big a socialist as anyone. I guess VE day and VJ day would have chapped your hides, since Truman was a DEM. I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. I know it wasn't every Freeper acting this way. But when I went on the board, that was the general impression, and it was really disappointing. It should have been a great day here. Instead, I saw a lack of patriotism and a lack of class. Free Republic should be better than this. If conservatives lose their patriotism and class, then what will happen to those virtues? I hope we can get them back soon. In the meantime, thanks for reading.
Respectfully,
Huck
Yes, if you call yourself ‘native American’ as your ‘race’ you probably have ruddy skin and black hair.
I’m in Catalina, AZ now. I love the boondocks, with the mountains for a back yard ;-)
Say Huck, do you know how fast the Boeing 757 A/C were going when they hit the Twin Towers?
Just what does that have to do with this thread?
FReegards,
Huck
Quite often on the radio from various sources, including, I believe, Rush, Mark Levin, and Done Wade from WLSAM.
Wow, a lot of comments to this thread. I pity your inbox Huck. ;d
I can’t blame anyone being upset about Obama taking credit for this. The good thing is no one will care by 2012.
Imagine DU if they had shot an unarmed Bin Laden under Bush. LOL.
Ditto..
“And at this point, that’s what birthers have become.”
It’s not what they’ve become, it’s how they’ve been painted.
“We should stop treating irrational conspiracy theories with the respect they dont deserve.”
Obama’s eligibility is not an “irrational conspiracy” theory, it is a a legal question that needs to be resolved. Is the son (or daughter) of a non-US citizen a natural born citizen? Are we going to follow the constitution or not?
Thank you. First I heard of it.
“And at this point, that’s what birthers have become.”
“It’s not what they’ve become, it’s how they’ve been painted.”
well .... both.
We have multiple independent sources for his birth in Honolulu, including now an INS report written in Aug 1961, alongside the newspaper announcements which where based on state birth records and the certified copy of the long form BC which corroborates and confirms it. Maybe back in June 2008 it was reasonable to have doubts, but all this evidence over the years has piled up, and you either accept it or rationalize away reality. Birthers doubting those facts have dismissed the facts as doctored and devolved into conspiracy theories to explain how such massive fraud could happen.
His long form BC and official statements and other 3rd party info (as mentioned above) verify his birth facts in spades. It’s time to definitely lay to rest the bogus “born in Kenya” claims and call it the BS that it is. That’s what I mean by: “We should stop treating irrational conspiracy theories with the respect they dont deserve.”
“Obama’s eligibility is not an “irrational conspiracy” theory, it is a a legal question that needs to be resolved.”
First, you are (deliberately?) confusing dubious legal arguments with the even more dubious birthPLACE arguments. I was talking of the conspiracy theories that are now required to ‘justify’ the bogus claim that Obama hasnt proven he was born in Hawaii.
NOW ... Here’s why the legal argument is dubious: Nobody worried about Spiro Agnew or Chester Arthur having a non-citizen Dad when they were born. It was assumed that birth in USA was sufficient. That’s been the rule and common understanding. Won Kim Ark enshrined the interpretation of the Constitution that you are a citizen at birth if born in the US, no matter what the citizenship of your parents.
” Is the son (or daughter) of a non-US citizen a natural born citizen?”
Yes, if born in the US. See Ankeny court ruling on this very matter.
” Are we going to follow the constitution or not?”
Indeed. We must follow the Constitution, which includes the birthright citizenship clause in the 14th Amendment. Here’s how Ankeny court ruled and any other court would rule: Obama’s birth in Honolulu makes him a citizen from birth and therefore eligible. These courts would say that to claim Obama isn’t eligible is to go against the Constitution.
The Constitution also says the only way to remove a President from office is impeachment. That’s the Constitution. If there are no impeachment hearings on this, its a dead issue. The only way to get Obama out of office soon is the Nov 2012 elections.
The public has not been shown one bit of tangible proof that anything Barry O has stated as so-called ‘fact’ — ever even happened. Barry O has lied and conned his way all along, right into the White House.
“Here’s why the legal argument is dubious: Nobody worried about Spiro Agnew or Chester Arthur having a non-citizen Dad when they were born.”
“Nobody worried” is not a legal argument. And Chester Arthur deliberately hid the fact that his father wasn’t a US Citizen when Chet was born during his political career, to the point of destroying records.
Please see the research done by attorney Leo Donofrio at http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/. He explains the rulings of Wong Kim Ark, Ankeny, Minor v. Happersett, etc. If not on the main page, sift through the archives.
“Birthers” seem to include anyone who questions Obama’s eligibility - his place of birth or his natural born Citizen status. The legal question relates to whether the son (or daughter) of a non-US citizen father is a natural born Citizen for constitutional purposes. Until this point is resolved, where he was born is immaterial. His birth certificate is only important in that it establishes who his father was. His producing a document showing his father as a non-US citizen may be much more damaging to him in the long run, if we can ever get a court of competent jurisdiction to rule on this matter. It would please me no end for a court to rule him ineligible while he’s in office or even after he leaves office.
Being a “citizen” at birth is not the same thing as being a natural born Citizen.
“The only way to get Obama out of office soon is the Nov 2012 elections.”
Maybe so, but we can walk and chew gum at the same time. What’s the harm in pursuing both avenues of removal?
Admittedly, it does something to the national psyche to be lied to, to be urinated on and told it is raining--not just once, but repeatedly. It is hard knowing you are lied to, and yet being treated with contempt by the media, ersatz conservatives, and those we handily deem RINOs, much like being subjected to the howling derision of the gathered allegedly great thinkers when we have the temerity to utter our belief that the world is not flat.
The level of distrust of this administration and their syncophantic lapdogs in the media has reached the point where we will not just shut up and cheer even when presented with what appears to be good news, especially when the timing is suspiciously advantageous for those who have been lying to us all along.
We quietly and hopefully pray the news is indeed true, and if so, reservedly celebrate the demise of one who has been the leader of an organization which has brought so much pain and death to our shores. We also mourn the loss of our freedom because of the actions of the (hopefully) deceased and his minions, as we mourn still the loss of those who died in the attacks not just on, but leading up to and after 9/11, and grieve for the pain and suffering of our troops and their loved ones even as we praise their efforts and accomplishments as the conflict continues.
I was talking with a former Brooklyn police officer the other day, who lost a close brother officer and friend on 9/11, one who had been trying to get him to transfer to the precinct near the WTC. To paraphrase, 'When the new tower's up and there is no mosque in sight of them, then and only then will we have some closure.'
I agree.
This is a vital and important step along the way, but only one step.
Sadly, we are robbed of our joy at Bin Laden's demise by the lack of honesty and the criminal assault upon our Republic from the highest levels of our own government, even as the one who claims credit makes the announcement.
In a nutshell, we don't trust the messenger, and that, sadly, is a distrust he has profoundly earned.
I find it sad that FReepers and others who have paid attention to the fact that we have been repeatedly told one thing and been subjected to another are viewed with sadness, derision, or disgust, after all, it is a heavy burden to rip away the veils of a fairy tale world and point out the myriad inconsistencies between the fable and the reality. It's no more fun than pointing out that Rapunzel either had the world's best conditioner or had split ends and tangles from hell, not to mention neck problems. But, after all, we are adults here, and 'happily ever after' is not something we expect in this life, but, with God's mercy something we pray for in the hereafter.
We have been lied to so often we no longer 'trust, but verify', for few of us believe our Republic can withstand even those starry eyed moments for the numerous and powerful enemies of the Republic to operate in the absence of critical scrutiny.
In that, Huck, we've been robbed once again.
Yeah! Why would anyone question the acccounts of what happened...? (sarc...)http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/the-slippery-story-of-the-bin-laden-kill/238261/
You don’t have to point me to Leo’s blog. I’ve already chased those rabbit trails. It’s a dead end. Find a tenured law professor out of the thousands of them out there to believe these dubious claims. Find a court to consider it. But wait, they have - Ankeny considered and rejected the claims. Leo and Taitz are 0 for 89 or so by now.
“What’s the harm in pursuing both avenues of removal?”
Because the birther avenue has 0.000000000% chance of success ... and its wrong anyway.
Nice theory, but its both wrong and out of sync with what courts will say the Constitution says and requires. You cannot make the case that Obama isn’t eligible because his Dad is a non-citizen, because in fact he is, due to his birth in the USA, which makes him a citizen since birth, which makes him a natural-born citizen. The End.
Just wondering if he (Huck) has studied the incidents - like I have -
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