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Lazamataz is hanging in the balance!
Posted on 04/27/2011 9:40:19 AM PDT by Bokababe
The Texas libertarian is widely seen as a longshot candidate for the GOP's 2012 presidential nomination. So why is he preparing for another White House campaign?....
(Excerpt) Read more at theweek.com ...
Moscow funded the Maoist revolution and takeover of mainland China of 1948. "Who lost China?" was a major actual conservative issue against Truman and Dean Acheson and other spineless Demonrats. If you don't think Mao and Chou were well worth any effort to kill both then you aren't much of an American or of a devotee of Western Civilization much less a conservative of any sort. That anyone who supports the despicable likes of El Run Paulie may be so described comes as no surprise. As a reality check, I would recommend to you The Human Cost of Communism in China by the distinguished historian Robert Conquest in which he describes Maoist China as having murdered an average of 3 million innocent folks (75 million total) in its first quarter century or so.
But, hey! Mao wasn't killing anyone in Galveston. Why should you care? What you think of as conservative is simply the quality of being able to calmly tolerate the endless continuation of barbarism and tyranny and murder on a maximum scale. God (if as a libertoonian you believe in God) forbid that you should see a role for Americans as their brothers' keeper. Of course, despite the fact that you have a "conscience" that is reflective of Abbie Hoffman at his worst, we should just accept that you are conservative. Peace, love and dope, man!!!
Stalinist Russia???? Our ally??? Puhleeeeeeze!!!! More accurately, Stalinist Russia was by its combination of an intellectually perverted ideology, its calm and relentless practice of mass homicide, its geography, its efficient tyranny and other factors, the most monstrous major regime in human history. If you can think of Stalin and his regime as an ally, that again displays the paleo mindset. You folks are no friends or defenders of freedom.
Stalin became our "ally" only when he was stabbed by Hitler (even a stopped clock...twice a day) who abrogated the Hitler/Stalin pact. Stalin was useful against Hitler because he was resisting Hitler to Hitler's east and tying down major assets on the Eastern Front. Personally, I would have imagined this the one situation where Paulistinian fecklessness might be useful. We could have kept pressing Hitler from the west and south, not supplied Stalin at all, watched gleefully as the nazis and reds slaughtered each other and weakened each other and then came in and mopped up the survivor of them at leisure. We had liberals in charge and that was no more to their taste than it would be to Neville Chamberlain or paleoPaulie. Since Stalin was, in fact if not in law, the major enemy of our civilization and nation, Paulistinians have a soft spot in their spleens for him.
I'm kind of an equal opportunity guy. I would gladly have ordered the termination with extreme prejudice of Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Ho, any and all of them and others like them as early as possible and preferably before their respective careers in mass murder got off the ground.
Another reality check: The Human Cost of Communism in Russia by Riobert Conquest (estimated 50 million killed in the first half century of soviet rule). Also try the Venona Papers and Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago.
Truman arrived in the Senate as an extreme enemy of US weapons manufacturers and ran Senate show trials to attempt to destroy them as "war profiteers."
I am deadly serious. It is the Kumbaya (let's all give our enemies a great big hug and make a lot of money trading with them) set who are not.
Conservatism means, inter alia, a military and its weaponry and personnel second to none and used whenever its nation calls, not miniaturized weakness.
El Run Paulie raises money from the gullible and buses hundreds of peace creeps from Demonrat venues to GOP straw polls, doesn’t he?
So yeah, invading and nuking China in 1945 or 46 would have been betraying an ally. Dido Russia in the same time frame.
Personally, I'm much more concerned about the rise of Islam now, then I am about could have beens in 1945. But in no way could or should the US do as you suggest back then.
Now if you care offer suggestions on how to deal with Islam and/or the Narco terrorist state on our southern border I'll listen. Oh and you should drop all the personal insults too. It only belittles your arguments.
2. The slaughter of soviet leadership can only be viewed as a betrayal of an ally by thoise who so love their delusions of "peace" as to regard the likes of Stalin as an ally. He was an enemy of the United States in reality whatever the ostensible foolishness caused by FDR's diplomacy. Better that Stalin and a thousand soviet bureaucrats be pre-emptively assassinated than one American soldier die unnecessarily in Korea or Viet Nam. Instead, the "peace at any price" liberals and losertarians clasp the Stalins to their collective bosom and weep crocodile tears to preserve Uncle Joe and his morally repugnant and murderous system.
3. Both MacArthur and Patton and the remnants of the German and Japanese general staffs apparently believed the extinction of the soviet state as quite doable but what did they know compared to losertarian peace creeps?
4. When Cassius Clay/Mohammad Ali was heavyweight champion, his critics accused him of a lack of humility. His response was to say that humility was the quality of knowing your own strengths and weaknesses and being honest and candid as to both. He then pointed out that it was humility, so defined, that required him to call himself The Greatest. In a similar vein, the challenge of trying to figure out how to insult peace creep losertarians has a very high degree of difficulty given the reality of peeacecreepism and losertarianism.
5. Are we to believe that anyone capable of voting for Ron Paul for any office could possibly be concerned about the rise of Islam??? Slingshots won't stop them assuming that paleoPaulie or paleoanyone is willing to have the gummint fund slingshots.
6. I do not share the obsession of some here with Mexico which I regard as posing no threat whatever beyond a certain degree of criminality which our domestic thugs also practice. Galveston is closer to Mexico than rural NW Illinois is to Mexico. We are worried about hordes of Canadian illegals pouring over the Wisconsin, Minnesota and Michigan borders and polluting our culture by singing Allouetta or God Save the Queen. Why not call Paulie of Galveston. Maybe he could hold a lying press conference and talk out of both sides of his mouth on that issue too. Aren't most Paulistinian losertarians open borders enthusiasts???
7. For military recruits, we can hardly depend on Paultards. Maybe we can offer prompt citizenship to any straight young Mexican of good character, 18 years of age to 30, in good health who enlists in the US military and successfully completes six years or so of honorable service. That's one thing we can do about Mexico.
8. Remarkable: You defend Stalin and Mao and express horror lest we might have done them in in a timely fashion but you apparently think that it is a crime of some sort to be Mexican. Since the communist Institutional Revolutionary Party lost control of Mexico to Vincente Fox and his party and his successor, I don't really remember Mexico being a "Narco terrorist state on our southern border." We need to make up for 50 million innocents murdered by surgical abortion alone since 1973 and Mexico is a good source of socially conservative and hard-working ambitious folks from what we see here in the vicinity of Rockford. The Mexican "illegals" are here. They are not going back unless they want to any more than the Japanese-Americans, the Chinese Americans, other Latinos or my English, German, Scottish and (most certainly) Irish relatives and there is nothing you can do about it and nothing your Congressman will EVER do about it. Grow up and get over it.
9. As to Islam, it would violate the Equal Protection clause of the 14th Amendment for any state to discriminate against them. The feds are not so limited. When we extract Hussein from the White House, we can get to work on Islam removal, even if paleoPaulie favors the mosque at Ground Zero in New York. If the states want to help the feds on this, we can look the other way for as long as necessary. The Fort Hood shootings prove that the military service option is not a wise one to extend to the Islamics. The military must be restored as a no fragging zone.
10. When I need your advice on how to argue, I will be sure to ask. Don't hold your breath waiting.
‘Claiming he should go back to his voters and say :”I made sure you got nothing except the bill for the other states earmarks” is just a silly got-ya setup similar to :”If you were consistent with my version of your position you would not be in congress”’
That is what John Boehner, among others, has done for years. Too bad that Ron Paul is not as strong a supporter of reducing government spending as Rep. Boehner.
I see that you have been having some fun with our friends formerly known as ‘anarcho-libertarians’. Sometimes I think that time stopped in September, 1969, and we all remain forever debating them at the St. Louis YAF convention.
Rather like Satre’s ‘No Exit’.
1. I am not your friend and expect no change in that status.
2. Whether "I admit it or not" is the subtle way of accusing me of lying which is poor form here as opposed to whether "I realize it or not." On the particular question, I have positively stated that I oppose nation building even of the post-WWII Marshall Plan sort. Better the money be spent on weaponry used against the enemies who deserve to be killed.
3. I don't think there was any justification for the US to be involved in Somalia and there is none for our involvement in Libya under Hussein unless we seize Libya's oil fields as payment. Hussein is nearly as bad as the paleosurrenderman on matters of foreign policy and is only marginally better than El Run Paulie. FDR was the last Democrat vaguely trustworthy to run a war. That Iraq and Afghanistan have lasted this long coupled with Hussein being Commander in Chief is almost proof that we should get out but it becomes less of a proof as the election to choose Hussein's successor approaches assuming we can find and elect a Republican POTUS willing to wage war appropriately. As to cost, seize oil fields as necessary to reimburse every nickel spent on the wars against Islamoterrorism. Surround the fields with cobalt and credibly promise that any soldier of ours who may be harmed will result in the evaporation of Mecca, Medina and the Dome of the Rock, one by one, in ascending order of significance.
4. Ask me if I care about Russia. Despite Chechnya and the bombing of a Moscow theater, Putin consistently disappoints and despite all the diployak and despite all the trade agreements, he seems as anti-American as he would have been as KGB boss in the dismal "republic" of East Germany in decades past. Putin is Ahmadinejad's political love slave and wields Russia's seat on the UN Security Council accordingly. Castrate Putin by getting the UN diployakkers out of the US and the US out of the UN. Most of paleoPaulie's Bircher enthusiasts will find that familiar.
5. I have had it with the squandering of money on the American welfare state and the utter inability of the customary political elites (much less eccentric nutcases like paleoPaulie) to smash our enemies. Won't do me any more good than it does you to whine against the American military. You are the world's welfare agent??? Who knew?
6. That is an interesting idea as to Europe and Russia and their peril from Islam. I agree that it is time they bore their own burdens. First step: Out of Libya. Qaddaffi survives and (his oil generally reserved for Europe) is withheld as the Eurowimps freeze at home in the dark.
7. I don't think Ron Paul is crazy. I KNOW Ron Paul is crazy as do most here on FR. He is on Hannity right now ignorantly whining over the fact that we took the red Iranian stooge Mossagh Dagh (sp.?) out of power in favor of the Shah. He is also having a public, ummm, romantic dream about how we would feel if China got a little stronger and treated us the same way. He ignores the fact that this is why God invented the US Navy, carriers, fighting aircraft, nuclear boomer subs, fast attack craft and our nuclear arsenal. Paulie is also hallucinating about Woodrow Wilson being an interventionist guru.
8. If we are broke, it has nothing whatever to do with military spending. It is the vast expansion of the welfare state. In nominal dollars, JFK's last budget was $100 billion of which $60 billion was for defense in peacetime 1963. 60% of the budget was defense and a LOT less of a percentage today. "War" on Poverty, HUD, Energy, Education, EPA, BATF, and a zillion other ways to waste oceans of money. Also shrimping subsidies for Galveston, nursing scholarships for Galveston and every other stinking earmark pork barrel stuffed by your lying Congresscritter into the federal budgets he votes against.
9. Europe (more accurately Catholic Europe) beat the Islamofascisti of their time in lifting the siege of Vienna (Jan Sobieski and the Polish Hussars) and in destroying the Islamic fleet at Lepanto (Don Juan) in the 15th and 16th centuries not 1000 years ago. El Cid of Castille alternately defeated and led Moorish forces in Spain (domestic political strife) in the 11th century. After he was fatally shot by an archer and his corpse strapped onto and propped up by his widow on his war horse and sent toward the Moors to terrify them, his home city of Valencia fell to Islam for a couple of centuries. Islam was limited to the Iberian Peninsula and small areas of the Balkans until driven out of the Iberian Peninsula by Ferdinand of Aragon (and his wife Isabella of Castille) just before Columbus sailed to discover the Western Hemisphere. Their presence in the Balkans persists to this day but only in a couple of republics. The bulk of Europe was never in jeopardy. Today Islamic demographics threatens to accomplish what Islamic military forces never could.
10. With a "leader" like the paleopipsqueak in the White House, the US would need no foreign enemies. See him now, on his knees, with one of Osama's buds sticking a gun in his ear, and the paleosurrenderman weeping an ocean of tears pleading that he had always been Osama's defender and apologist in Congress and then signing an executive order accepting "Sharia Law" and an Islamic caliphate for America and then becoming a dead treasonweasel.
So what are you saying? Are you saying he is just dishonest, or are you saying he is against only earmarks that do not benefit his district?
#130 was directed at jpsb. I pinged the rest of you as entertainment.
At least that's what Harold Stassen told me ...
He died ten years ago and may still be on the ballot in 2011 ...
Harold also says that support for liberal Republicans is strongest among Necro-Americans ...
But all this is of no concern with the US in a depression, getting over run on the southern border, over extended in Africa/Middle East and Asia. And 14 trillion in debt.
As far as I am concerned you neocons have a terrible track record. Bush was one of our worse presidents. And it's only because of Bush and his neocon advicers that we have Obama. So your crediability is shot, not that it makes much difference since the country is so broke that soon events will be beyond our control.
Now maybe if we can elect a good old fashion constitutional conservative, Sara and Allen West are the only two that spring to mind, then maybe we can control the collaspe that is coming.
It might surprise you that I left Paul off my short list, I like him in congress, not in the oval office.
Thanks for sharing that, X!
The fact is that no one is really even sure that Ron Paul IS running. He said in an interview that he wanted to be part of the debates, so they required him to at least form an exploratory committee to participate in the debates. That is all that he has done, form an exploratory committee — he hasn’t actually declared his candidacy, but every news agency has jumped all over it as though he has declared.
I think that he just wants to be there at the debates to stir up the waters and ask the hard questions that no candidate wants to answer. If he finds that they overwhelmingly love him, he’ll go for it. If not, I doubt that he’s going to fight for it like he did last time. He may well step aside and just let Rand run, throwing whatever new support he garners behind Rand or someone else who shares his core values.
However I concider the Marshal plan and the MacAuthur occupation of Japan a huge suscess. If the enemy is utterly defeated, his will to fight broken then maybe nation building might work. How is is done today is doomed to failure.
We had absolutely no business in the Balkin or in Africa even worse we were on the wrong side in Kosovo. That is Russia back yard let them handle it. As Bismark said the entire region is not worth one solders life.
The only reason I could think of to be fighting in the middle east is in defense of Israel, let Arabs eat their oil.
Putnam is still fighting the cold war, maybe bombing Serbia so Islam could seize Kosovo was not such a good idea.
As a proud USMC vet I never whine against the military. I challenge you to support that assertion.
Wilson was an interventionist guru, the USA had no business in WW1. He was also taken to the cleaners by the French and British, re his 14 points.
The rest I completely agree with.
Well let count all the accomplishments of Bush and Obama shall we? campaign reform, no child left behind, free drugs for seniors, socialized health care, war in Iraq, war in Afghanistan, war in Libya, patriot act and 14 trillion in debt. Yup you are correct Paul has no accomplishments and that is exactly the way I like it.
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