Posted on 04/12/2011 11:27:59 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
See line 72-75 and scroll over to the box that asks about citizenship. Theodore Agnew, Spiro's father, indicates in the box that he is an "al" (for alien). Young Spiro is shown on line 75. We now have two precedents against the birthers. The other is Chester Arthur. Both had non-citizen fathers and NOBODY in either case cared at the time. The controversy over Arthur was solely related to his alleged foreign birth.
Does not matter one bit. Being born in US Territory still makes one a US Citizen.
Interesting question, though. Had Nixon died in office, could Agnew have legally ascended to the presidency, given the “natural born citizen” requirement?
It's no "theory", 'Captain'. It's US LAW. Read the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952. Obama is NOT a natural-born citizen.
And anyone who defends Obama does not belong on FR.
Where did you check that?
Not according to many of those who follow the cult of Vattel. They claim that John McCain would be ineligible because he was born in Panama, even though he was born on U.S. Territorial soil.
These cultists of Vattel claim that you must be born of two citizen parents within the nation itself to be a “Natural Born Citizen”.
The fact that the founders, fully aware of Vattel and his translations of Wolfe, rejected that language and went with the English Common Law language does not matter to them.
To them, Arthur, Curtis, and Agnew are examples of the long standing corruption that has caused gas to be $4 a gallon and puppies to not be as cute as they were in the 1950s.
WWI. WWI Registration Card 559 A2691
Theodore Spiro Agnew
226 W. Madison St.
Baltimore City, Maryland
Age 40 Birthdate Sept. 12, 1878
Race White
NATURALIZED U.S. CITIZEN
Occupation Restaurant
Margaret M. Agnew, wife (nearest relative)
Registrar’s report
Height medium
Hair black
Eyes black
Build stout
No disabilities
DATE OF REGISTRATION: Sept. 12, 1918
NONE of us are pure.
The first political structure we all had was a benevolent dictatorship .. ("Because I SAID so .. " )
WE tried it later on, and matured ourselves as time and experience allowed or ... dictated ('couldn't resist THAT one)
Standards schmandards ... zero fiddles while America burns and NO ONE in the past has done that.
WOLVERINES !!
Our resident nazist. Wassa matter, can’t sleep?
The same qualifications apply to Vice President.
There is erroneous and conflicting information on when Spiro Angew dad was naturalized. It has been posted on FR and around the Internet. I’m going to find it now.
“Both had non-citizen fathers and NOBODY in either case cared at the time.”
This passes for logic?
It doesn't matter! The requirements for the Vice Presidency are the exact same for the Presidency. If he is qualified for one, he is qualified for both.
Vice President Spiro Agnew was born on November 9, 1918 in Baltimore, MD. Therefore he was a natural born citizen, whether or not his father was.
Keep tilting at windmills.
This has been hashed out before. Post 26
“Spiro’s father, indicates in the box that he is an “al” (for alien).”
No, he doesn’t. The whole page is in the same hand, so obviously Spiro’s dad didn’t write in the little box.
His wife’s name is on the next line, and there’s an Al by hers, too. But you’re not claiming Margaret (Carter) Akers Agnew is an alien, are you? I hope not!
Captain Crap linked to the same "1920 Census" source Don W linked to.
And it looks like Captain Crap's point just got blown to bits!
I really pays to read the whole blog sometimes.
Captain Crap is silenced.
Well done, Don W!
See post 26, and the Census record. According to his WW1 Registration Card, he was already naturalized, as of 1918. In the 1920 Census, young Spiro was only 1 year old, which would be after 1918.
Of course, none of that has any bearing on Obama and his status. Personally, I think the BC is the wrong tree to bark up. His college records or social security number are far more likely to cause him problems.
Here's some...here you go:
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Possible 2012 Republican Presidential Candidates: Part 3 (Jindal/Barbour/Christie)
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1910 Census: I haven’t found a Theodore Agnew in 1910, but I did find a “Theodoros Anagnostopoulos” (his original name) in Massachusetts who’s the right age. He’s listed as “Alien.”
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: New Bedford Ward 6, Bristol, Massachusetts; Roll: T624_579; Page: 4B; Enumeration District: 211; Image: 689.
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You are reporting the wrong census record and the wrong person. He is not the father of Spiro Theodore Agnew.
He is listed under a different name in another state and city. the 1910 U.S. Census reports he is “Na”, a naturalized U.S. citizen.
The 1930 U.S. Census reports he is “Na”, a naturalized U.S. citizen, but someone used a pencil to cross out the “Na” and write “Al”, meaning an Alien, in pencil above the “Na” written in ink. This was also done for some reason to other “Na” entries made by this census taker as well for reasons that are unknown.
The original entry for the 1910 U.S. Census very definitely reports he was a naturalized U.S. citizen eight years before the birth of his son. The draft registration reports he was a naturalized U.S. citizen no less than two months before the birth of his son. The 1920 U.S. Census record reports him as “Al” and Alien, but there are so many gross errors about age, year of immigration, the informant obviously was reporting erroneous information to the census taker. The 1930 U.S. Census reported he was a naturalized U.S. citizen, except the pen and ink entry was altered by pencil to report an Alien instead of naturalized U.S. citizen.
The natural born citizen requirement only matters to people who believe in enforcing the articles of the Constitution without bias and favortism to any party or person. Everyone else is acting in contempt of the Constitution and the principles for which it stands. It remains to be seen who will protect and defend the Constitution and who will effectively destroy the Constitution and the principles of freedom it was created to defend.
Now you are trying to take the comment out of context and twist it into something it was never meant to be in the first place. His immigration record demonstrated the 1920 Census record and informant were in gross error and thereby supported the census records, draft registrations, and other records which reported him to be a naturalized citizen at least by 12 September 1918. The overwhelming preponderance of the evidence seen to date, everything other than some informant’s error ridden 1920 U.S. Census entry, reports Theodore Spiro Agnew was a naturalized U.S. citizen before the birth of his son. You have been given the exact citation where you can see the report of his U.S. citizenship in the draft registration for yourself. If you want to attempt to rebut the record of the man’s U.S. citizenship in those records, you are certainly free to find the persuasive documentary records needed to do so.
Theodore Spiro Agnew; born Sept. 12, 1878, U.S. Citizen, [checked] Naturalized....
Theodore Spiro Agnew, [date of rrecord] 12 September 1918, Draft Board 11, Baltimore City, Maryland, World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918. United States, Selective Service System. World War I Selective Service System Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration. M1509, 4,582 rolls.
The argument we hear is that a person born in the U.S., but of a non-citizen parent, is not a natural born citizen.
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