Posted on 04/10/2011 4:52:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Trump has been right in bringing up Obama’s eligibility/natural born citizen issue, the ‘birther’ issue. No one else (at this point in time) has the clout or the guts to tackle it. No other politician or ethical reporter will cover this issue in any depth because the Political Correctness (PC) police have been out in full force intimidating all who might dare to raise any questions. They’ve been very successful too. That’s why ‘birther’ is the name everyone associates with it; and why most associate the meaning the name implies – not born in Hawaii. No independent thought necessary! However, it is an issue that needs to be addressed, if for no other reason that we have military men and women fighting around the world at Obama’s beck and call.
And the high stakes game, it appears will have a few more hands to play.
The issue with Obama’s eligibility (regardless of what the media is trying to lead you to believe) not only involves the place of his birth but also his conflicted allegiances vis-à-vis the citizenship of his father.
Unfortunately, there is no Supreme Court decision that I know of where the Court addresses the specific question (in a case where it is factually necessary to the facts and issue presented) of who can and can’t be a Natural Born Citizen, other than in the penumbra of discussions/historical presentations in cases involving ordinary and/or naturalized citizenship.
However, the relevant writings/common understandings that were available to the Founders and the ones that have been suggested that the Founders relied, suggest (see article by Prof. Solum in ‘Originalism and the Natural Born Citizen Clause’) that to be a natural born citizen requires being born in country to parents (2) who were citizens at the time of the person’s birth.
Further, the significance of the Constitutional provision containing both the terms ‘Citizen’ and ‘Natural Born Citizen’ clearly indicate there is a difference in meaning in the two. This has been recognized in several cases and writings. The reasons for inclusion of the Presidential eligibility restrictions are also recognized as being the need for and/or fear of a person becoming President who did not have complete/sole allegiance to the new nation. In your heart of hearts, do your perceptions of Obama’s actions and ideology validate the Founders' concerns? For me, the answer seems obvious.
Did you see that Trump had a meeting with a group that included a Rep. from Arizona and gave out some homework? In that meeting, Mr. Trump asked for information regarding the term "natural born citizen". Only the Donald can assign research as homework and not have to pay for it. Once Donald Trump receives the information asked for, he will then be in a position to force the main street media's hand; and call them on their decision to cut the public out of considering the Obama eligibility issue in any meaningful, thoughtful way.
Simply labeling everyone asking questions ‘birthers’ is neither meaningful nor thoughtful.
Keep in mind that, Trump also has his mother's naturalized citizenship status as a possible springboard should he decide to file a suit for a Declaratory Judgment indicating he (Trump) is eligible.
That’s an ace in the hole that only Trump has!
Get your Popcorn ready! Trump has sent investigators to Hawaii and is collecting his assigned homework. There are more hands to play!
In the EXTREMELY unlikely possibility that Hussein had ever attempted to enlist in the armed forces of the U.S., had ever participated in ROTC at whatever university he allegedly attended or applied for a federal job that required a security clearance, he would’ve been rejected at every turn. Yet today, this empty suit of questionable provenance has access to our nation’s most closely guarded secrets. Thanks a lot, all you morons that voted for this ghost.
I don’t like the Donald.
That being said, he is making the democrat party media scream, rave, and turn purple with rage.
Hell, he keeps this up, he might get my vote!
I’ve read of this view before and though a small consolation its good to know that my gut feeling from the very beginning telling me that he is a bastard was correct. ;-)
Of course it is not. That is an obvious propaganda trick to discredit the questioner and distract from the question.
Why hasn't 0bama shown the nation a certified copy of his long form BC? Why?
Trump on Obama, China, OPEC and more interviewed by Wolf Blitzer
Well, that person obviously didn't quite understand the basic concept. You'd have to ask that person how the child's parents came to be Natural Born. Were their parents Natural Born, too? And theirs?
At some point, you're going to run out of NBCs on the family tree. There has to be a starting point, and that point is simple US citizenship. Baby has two US citizen parents, and is born on US soil, he's NBC.
You're probably right but it should. No transgression of the Constitution should ever go unchallenged.
Acted? It is an issue even if he acted like one. There are reasons for this qualification...loyalties, influences, etc...
I think I've come to a point with Obama, where I no longer hold any beliefs whatsoever about his origins. All I've seen are impossible-to-verify theories as to who he is, and where he was born. At this point, all I can accept, is what has been independently documented about his past.
I don't know what his real name is.
I don't know who his real parents were.
I don't know where he was born.
I don't know where (or if) he really attended college.
I don't know if he's an American citizen or not.
I don't know if he's eligible to be our president.
The fact that he won't answer these BASIC questions about himself, leads me to the conclusion that the truth of his existence falls on the wrong side of every question I have about him.
He's not?
I thought he was so liberal, he'd easily qualify for at least CNN or CBS...
Cheers!
>> “belongs to none but those who have been born of citizens since the 4th of July, 1776….” Id. at 6”
Interesting post, Windflier.
I'll be willing to bet that he is making many, or most Republican Party Presidential aspiring candidates scream, rave, and turn purple with rage. (Except Sarah, who has come out in support of the claims.)
Thanks for this post. It should be clear to readers what the intent of the Founders was: the Presidency was for only those who were citizens at our nation’s founding, and the children of these citizens thereafter.
>Notice how the Lame Stream Media, the RINO’s and The Trump are completely avoiding Zeewoe’s ineligibility because he is not a natural born citizen because BO Sr was never a US citizen?<
yup. because they don;t want to admit that they just jumped on the hype wagon that he was all American .. then they never did their job in finding out the facts. It wouldn’t have been a stretch for them to ask for records. It would have been normal .. but god forbid that they question the won on such a historic election ...
Now they can’t go back and say .. hey we really screwed up. promoted a guy who probably pulled the wool over our eyes and we sold it to the american people hook line and sinker
I tend to agree with you because there are other dots to be connected as to a Kenyan history. Among the most notable dots to me is the aid for for Kenya( two ships one of which was temporarily highjacked) about the time that Kenya shut down all info and celebrations as to Obama being born there. Also it should be noted that at about that time Rahm Emmanual went on a ‘vacation’ to Africa with a visit to Kenya,probably paid for by the USA by some form or fashion. Trump should be given this info if he doesn’t already have it.
I tend to agree with you because there are other dots to be connected as to a Kenyan history. Among the most notable dots to me is the aid for for Kenya( two ships one of which was temporarily highjacked) about the time that Kenya shut down all info and celebrations as to Obama being born there. Also it should be noted that at about that time Rahm Emmanual went on a ‘vacation’ to Africa with a visit to Kenya,probably paid for by the USA by some form or fashion. Trump should be given this info if he doesn’t already have it.
Thanks. Another Freeper posted it some days back, and I immediately saved it to my computer for future reference.
For those willing to read it, it makes the case that the Framers were very specific in the language they put into the US Constitution, and that they had a very good reason for using the odd phrase, "Natural Born Citizen", which they used nowhere else, except Article II, Section I, Clause 5.
Precisely. We just need to keep making the point, and educating everyone we have to, about this, until it finally sinks in.
The Framers inserted citizenship requirements into the Constitution for other federal offices, but the presidency is the ONLY office which requires one to be a Natural Born Citizen. This, too, is an important point to make when discussing the NBC issue.
Yeah, that’s all good. I appreciate the writer’s comments, especially,
“Ramsay writes with the knowledge and insights one acquires only by being personally involved in the events of the Founding period.”
Our struggles today help to better understand the context of the Founding period. It’s only a glimpse, but something I feel a bit more connected than I had during years of our Nation’s prosperity.
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