Posted on 03/21/2011 5:05:27 AM PDT by aruanan
Don Wade and Roma will be relating the story at 7:20AM this morning about documents surfacing that show Barry Obama registered in college as a foreign student in order to get financial aid.
Listen live at LISTEN LIVE LINK.
First off the question was whether there were any facts that should make people question his eligibility and I have named numerous ones as did the post right before mine.
Secondly you then shift the question again to whether any President has voluntarily produced documents without being asked which is meangingless in this case because Obama has been compelled over and over to release these documents but instead lawyers to Court to keep them sealed. These documents include all of his school records, his long form birth certificate, and virually every document pertaining to his past.
McCain was asked to produce his long-form birth certificagte and did in fromt of Congress and there are many news articles about it as well as copies of his long-form all over the internet.
I could even produce video of democrat Chuck Shumer demanding that McCain release all of his records if he wants to run for President.
And the record that you claim is meaningless legally is evidence that Obama was adopted, his name legally changed, and became an Indonesian citizen. Is it proof? No? But these issues deserve to be raised and deserved to be answered.
And is laughable and absurd for you to say that whether or not Obama is using his real legal name or was an Indonesian citizen have no bearing on his eligibility for President. It is not only laughable but completely anti-the rule of law.
And it is a fact that historically there is a large amount of evidence that someone born with a non-American citizen parent and who has dual loyalities is not a natural born citizen. That is a FACT.
And there is no simple explanantion as to why the DNC under Pelosi changed the document they normally used to remove the term ‘natural born citizen’. The only explanation is that they knew that Obama was not one.
Really? “”that other records, not the original birth certificate, somehow verify Obama was born in Hawaii,””
“That’s a lie” you said.
Here are “some other records”..... but wait! There is something different about the records that contain obama’s entry.
All the other Index Data books have the date range in the header - the book obama is in does not.
These are actual images taken in the Honolulu Dept of Health this summer. Actual images of the offical books:
http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2011/03/06/its-a-date
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“Radical Muslim Cleric Lied to Qualify for U.S.-Funded College Scholarship”
“A former diplomatic security agent who was tasked with investigating Awlaki immediately after the Sept. 11 attacks told Fox News that the Yemeni-American national apparently lied on his visa application to attend Colorado State University, where he studied engineering. Rather than tell U.S. immigration officials that he was born in Las Cruces, N.M., in 1971, Awlaki stated that the was foreign born, the security agent, Ray Fournier, said.
Awlaki received $20,000 in scholarship money from a U.S. government program for his schooling in Fort Collins, Colo. When asked if Awlaki was eligible, Fournier said, “No, he is absolutely forbidden to have it.””
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/04/12/radical-muslim-cleric-lied-qualify-funded-college-scholarship/
‘Foreign students’? The names all sound Islamic, not Swedish, Austrian, or Latin American.
The mention of documentation of the Foreign Student Matter did not make it to the podcast, which was all John Bolton.
In the normal course of events, his original BC would have been sealed, and a new one issued in the name of Soetoro, or Soebarkah. This ain't rocket surgery. It is how Billy Blythe became Bill Clinton. How Leslie King became Gerald Ford. IOW, the child's name is legally changed. Happens everyday in every state.
There is no record of the legally adopted Soetoro boy ever legally hanging his name back to "Obama," when Mama Stanley and the Indonesian broke up. Therefore, Lawyer Hemenway called him on the illegal use of the name "Obama," in Hollister v Soetoro, which went no where in the SCOTUS last week.
In Hemenway' opinion, it is why the BC has been illegally suppressed. Also, when the child was legally adopted, he became an Indonesian citizen. That isn't all that important to an American Citizen, because that citizenship cannot be legally taken from a minor, who can reclaim it upon reaching his majority. Which the Soetoro boy never did. In fact, upon reaching his majority, Barry could have chosen Indonesian, British, Kenyan, or, somewhat more problematically, American citizenship.
A Natural Born Citizen would, of course,
have no such choice.
Other reasonable fellows resident in Hawaii can absolutely tell you that it was common practice in Hawaii to register foreign born children as "born in Hawaii."
All that was required was the statement of witnesses affirming "Home Birth." It is well known that many children, particularly from the Philippines, China, and Japan were routinely issued Hawaiian Birth Certificates on the say-so of relatives claiming "Home Birth." Google up some Hawaiian court clerks, attorneys, hospital officers, county registrars, etc. and ask them!
Whereas a Hawaiian car title, or dog license from the 1900s to the 60's has an excellent chance of being genuine, a Birth Certificate from that long period can offer no iron-clad guarantees!
Furthermore, birth in Hawaii, which is possible, would only make Obama (if that's his present legal name) a Native-Born Citizen, Not a Natural Born Citizen. It is the cases for clarification of this point (i.e., Does Native = Natural?) which the courts have refused to hear on the merits.
It is my feeling that this point will not be cleared up as long as Obama is in office. Of course, no matter what any court decided, the only way he could be removed is by Impeachment in the House and Conviction in the Senate.
Of course there is also something very wrong here. You, and the GOP, insist that those who are asking the questions should put their time and energy elsewhere. What you are saying is that it is not worth the trouble, because he will be in office for the next two years anyway.
The Constitution is worth the trouble. That really has little to do with Obama. These questions must be answered, not avoided.
Seems you haven't seen much. How do you get scholarship for a U.S. citizens, when you ARE a foreigner, huh???
It’s definitely a SHE!!!
You’re wasting your precious time with this “woman” aka a spamming FINO!!!
Generally, it’s a lot easier to get financial aid for college if you are a US citizen. There are very few scholarships, grants, or student loans that are available to foreigners.
I have not scoured Occy website regarding scholarships, and that would would likely be waste of time as he attended years ago. However, in a quick google, I found a website listing with many schools offering various forms of financial aid to foreign students—up to 450. This was one search on google:
http://www.edupass.org/finaid/undergraduate.phtml
As far as aid goes today, many states universities are waiving out-of-state tuition for illegal immigrants—that is a scholarship! In fact, that is the same scholarship that is offered to many out-of-state students wishing to attend state schools in states other than their own. Usually, good grades (B or better are required for these. These waivers are considered scholarships. How do I know about this? My 3 children went to out-of-state schools on these waivers.
Regarding the past when barry would have attended, in the late 70s and early 80’s, I worked at a flagship STATE university (Big 10/Super 12-sized school). I helped foreign students with their admissions to graduate school. In my experience, foreign students routinely had their out-of-state tuition waived if they could show $500/month support. Some sort of loophole! At that time there was a push for Detante and diplomacy and a theory that if we allowed foreign students to attend our universities, we would be making future connections for when these students would be leading their countries, etc. Perhaps these waivers don’t exist today, eh perhaps they do. But more importantly,
They did exist. so yes there were (and likely still are) scholarships for foreign students. As Occidental is an expensive private school, they can structure scholarships however they wish. Of course barry would try to maximize his tuition dollars—if he could come in as foreign student and save money, why wouldn’t he? If they had waivers at state schools, I would be very surprised if they did not exist at expensive private schools.
I think it is very plausible.
Hope you hear from them.
I should add that I don’t know if he was born in HI or not, but I am just saying that he may have had financial incentive to register as a foreign student.
BTW, are you aware that his mother registered him as a muslim in Indonesia at an elementary school—as they required a religious declaration on the application. That was reported on by a Chicago Sun Times reporter before his files were all locked down—it may have been when he was running for US Senate.
Thanks. It certainly fits everything else that has happened. In the end this will make what the Democrats claim Nixon did look like kindergarten stuff.
Thank you for the explanation, but it seems that WLS needs to do some explaining.
But the shaky stuff ain't gonna the mustard!
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