Faceoff! States tell feds to back down

World Net Daily ^ | 01-24-11 | Bob Unruh

[RepublicnotaDemocracy]

What if Washington made a law and nobody paid attention? Or even more significantly, what if states specifically repudiated it and threatened to prosecute those enforcing it?

The questions no longer are rhetorical but a real option as eight states consider a blanket nullification of the Obamacare nationalization of health-care decision-making advances in their legislatures.

"Thomas Jefferson advised, 'Whensoever the general government assumes undelegated powers ... a nullification of the act is the rightful remedy,'" states the Tenth Amendment Center, which advocates a return to the constitutionally delegated powers for the federal government.

"When states pass laws to reject and nullify unconstitutional federal 'laws,' regulations and mandates – it's not rebellion ... it's duty," the organization states.

States already have been moving forward aggressively on several issues, with eight approving firearms freedom acts that reject some federal gun laws, 15 actively defying Washington on cannabis laws and seven passing acts that reject health-care mandates.

Now, however, they are moving a step beyond, according to center founder Michael Boldin.

He told WND today that seven states have introduced acts to nullify the federal health-care reform – including New Hampshire, Maine, Montana, Oregon, Nebraska, Texas and Wyoming. A similar proposal is expected to be filed in Idaho within a matter of days.

It's another, and very important, field on which states can battle federal demands of their citizens, he said.

[TruthConquers]

“If large cities and states can refuse to enforce Federal Immigration laws - totally refuse to turn over suspected illegal aliens, then a state can refuse to abide by or enforce any Federal law.”

Good on you!!

Use the Sanctuary law baloney against them. Why NOT?????

I like how you think.

[sarge83]

If the states all of a sudden with hold all the tax revenue they collect for the feds that would get the leviathans attention asap.

[TruthConquers]

Actually, that would be an excellent place to start.

The FED is an illegal monstrosity anyway.

End the FED along with ending DeathCare.

[RJS1950]

Don’t stop with obamacare. The states should take back the control of lands and resources within their boundaries, reopen drilling and coal mining and tell the federal government to pound sand.

[Personal Responsibility]

What’s the big deal with States ignoring federal law? Isn’t that essentially what sanctuary cities are? Why is it that they can do such a thing with impunity?

[ICCtheWay]

You’re probably correct... but it does make for precedent in a Federal Court of Law. Selective enforcement of one Federal law does not bode well for complaining in court about a state refusing to comply with obamacare - another Federal law.

[RJS1950]

This is not some third world country where the “troops” are bought and paid for. They would find that they don’t have very many troops to send in. Our military does not swear allegiance to the president nor or they obligated to follow unconstitutional orders.

[MrB]

Leftists and leftist judges would have no problem with the inconsistency you point out.

Their entire ideology is based on the idea that the elite are entitled to use their “discretion” with regard to rules and laws.

[Vendome]

Geeze RepublicnotaDemocracy:

You gonna take that from a nOOb? LOL

[Le Chien Rouge]

I don’t see ANYTHING changing until, we the people, get of our arses, grab our guns, camp out in the front yard of every congressman,senator and bureaucrat involved with ObamaCare along with all the other federal BS and let them know we mean business.

Enough of the lawyers filing suits for more lawyers to analyze.

Enough of trusting elected state officials to suddenly grow a set and resist the federal government.

Enough of the media dictating public opinion.

We, as individuals, in America are on our own,with little help from either party.

I’m not advocating violence nor do I need Sarah Palin or Talk radio to influence me but it’s high time we taxpayers sent a very strong message.

[RJS1950]

It’s not just selective enforcement of immigration laws. Selective exclusion of individual entities from obamacare while forcing everyone else to comply under threat of prosecution is the same principle.

[dennisw]

Many of these states just don’t want the financial burdens imposed on them by the Federal takeover of health care. For many states it’s the money, they don’t mind Obama/Democrats on other matters

Sure would be lovely to see Obama get his comeuppance with a major modification or outright repeal. Repeal would need a new President post 2012

[GonzoGOP]

Where will they send the troops? To DOCTORS offices. Hospitals.

In a word, yes. Ike had no problem sending the 101st Airborne into schools. And Washington marched the militia into the farms of Pennsylvania. When the local police refused to enforce desegregation at Old Miss Kennedy sent in the US Marshals. And when the locals shot at the Marshals he sent in 3,000 troops in full battle rattle to demonstrate just how serious he was. The troops took over local law enforcement and ended the riots.

If the local law enforcement refuses to uphold Obama's laws he might try to simply take over the local police stations and use troops to enforce the laws. It has happened before, it could very likely happen again.

Nullification is like standing up to a school yard bully and saying "What are you going to do about it?". If the government backs down, they lose all their power. Once it becomes obvious that the locals can defy the government and get away with it, Fedzilla will be completely neutered. And not just on health care, but on immigration, EPA, taxation, licensing, or anything else you want to name. That is why governments have traditionally reacted (or in many cases over reacted) to the threat of nullification.

It has been said that when backed by conviction, the most powerful three words in the English language are "No I Won't" But when you refuse to give the bully your lunch money you had better be ready for a fight. Because the bully knows that if one kid publicly stands up to him and gets away with it soon all of the kids will. And his days of being a bully are numbered.

[Carry_Okie]

The states would have a greater ability to insist on their Constitutional rights, if they managed their own affairs more responsibly.

Oh, I see, you think we should refuse to medicate, educate, and incarcerate illegals? We tried that here in California, and got shot down by a Federal judge.

It's called an "unfunded mandate" for a reason.

[GonzoGOP]

If the states all of a sudden with hold all the tax revenue they collect for the feds that would get the leviathans attention asap.

My point exactly. Once the precedent of nullification is established every federal agency from the IRS, EPA, DEA, ATFE and the FBI will find their power constrained by any state that disagrees with them on a given issue. Kicking a tiger in the balls will get its attention. But once you have his attention you had better have a plan for what you intend to do next. And don't be surprised if the tiger decides that the proper response to your attention getting scheme is to rip your guts out and devour what ever is left.

Obama has pushed those still loyal to the constitution to desperate acts. I used poker metaphor earlier and it fits well hear as well. Nullification is like calling when the other guy goes all in. He might be bluffing, or he might not. But one way or the other the game ends here.

[DariusBane]

Too bad it’s from WND. Can’t even be sure that any of the institutions mentioned even exist. 10th Amendment what?

[HKMk23]

We tried that here in California, and got shot down by a Federal judge.

Didn't the State legal team really put out a limp-wristed effort in that case? IIRC, the whole idea that the AG and geovernor were in any way even trying to support Prop 187 was a joke from start to finish. Or am I confusing that with Prop 8, where the same thing happened?

[ICCtheWay]

Yes - similar concept - Selective enforcement and selective exclusion (with no basis for the exclusion except political favoritism)... Surly a good set of lawyers could work this into a case in Federal Court.

[Marty62]

You mention SPECIFIC locations. To end segragation.

I repeat where would he send the troops?

[Christian Engineer Mass]

2006! When did you start feeling like you could call ppl noob? Last year?