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Ongoing FR Analysis: Jack Wheeler Murder
cnn.com ^ | January 9, 2011 | Susan Candiotti and Ross Levitt

Posted on 01/09/2011 8:55:15 PM PST by Albion Wilde

Wilmington, Delaware (CNN) -- Police have found homicide victim John Wheeler's cell phone, according to a taxi driver who was interviewed by investigators this week.

Athel Scott told CNN National Correspondent Susan Candiotti that police told him they found the cab driver's number in the phone of Wheeler, the former Pentagon official who was found dead in a Delaware landfill. He said investigators wanted to know how his number got there. Scott... says he told the police he didn't have any idea.

"I never got a call from the man. I don't know him... He's never been in my cab. I don't know how my number got in his cellphone," Scott says he told police...

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


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Here is the Fox News link about the ‘sandwich shop’ it’s written by Eric Shawn

http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/01/06/wheeler-super-bloodshot-eyes/


401 posted on 01/16/2011 5:19:45 AM PST by WestCoastGal (SL I believe hes a remarkable race-car driver, I think some people in the world have forgotten that)
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Link to all Fox News stories on this, seems they dropped it about the 8th :( I should add I am really disappointed in the news when I see the Vietnam depression story at the top of Google search and at the top of the Twitter line as well.

Where are his buddies?

http://www.foxnewsinsider.com/?s=john+wheeler


402 posted on 01/16/2011 5:26:33 AM PST by WestCoastGal (SL I believe hes a remarkable race-car driver, I think some people in the world have forgotten that)
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To: WestCoastGal
Did you read it all?

I've read every post, sentence, word (including the eulogies). I logged off shortly after I posted last night. Thanks for your work and the work of everyone on this thread.

BUMP for John Wheeler.

/to work

403 posted on 01/16/2011 5:28:16 AM PST by PGalt
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To: daisy mae for the usa
I hardly consider Excelsior as having just local meaning. It's more of an age thing or historical or government phrase. It's on our state flag. And despite Virginia beginnings, New York will always be king. It's where Washington was inaugurated, Ellis Island.

I doubt that any of my 3, approx 45 year old children know the meaning of the phrase. But I'm Wheeler's age and into history.

One thing that was said by all whom John emailed...."Typical John".

Excelsior in street talk....Keep on truckin'.

404 posted on 01/16/2011 6:17:15 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: WestCoastGal
I think? No...WE'RE TOLD...He's not seen in the sweatshirt until about 8:30 PM when he leaves the Nemours building.

But there was a new addition that he approached at attys' office in that building looking for money so he could get "someplace". I don't think they told us the time and/or said what he was wearing.

I don't remember the coffee event having clothing info...afraid it may be some reporters' infusion.

405 posted on 01/16/2011 6:29:21 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

Thank you for helping me to understand this phrase. I love learning new things. It does sound as if there is no doubt these emails came from John.


406 posted on 01/16/2011 6:30:29 AM PST by daisy mae for the usa
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To: Sacajaweau

You know, sometimes your responses seem abrasive to me. Your post back to me this morning >> “I think? No...WE’RE TOLD.”

You said >>”What’s the difference which truck he goes into. They all wind up at the landfill sooner or later.”

You may not intend it to be, but it does come across that way. The one you sent me yesterday.....just seems to be argumentative and not in a conversational tone whether you realize it or not, I’m not sure. I think we all have/had the same reason for posting on this thread which is to find some clues as to why John Wheeler met such a terrible end, which he did not deserve based on everything he’s given to his country - our country.

Sooooo, since I have to work anyway - I am going to take my leave.


407 posted on 01/16/2011 6:45:39 AM PST by WestCoastGal (SL I believe hes a remarkable race-car driver, I think some people in the world have forgotten that)
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To: Albion Wilde

Police Silent

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110115/NEWS01/101150336/Delaware-police-mum-about-cause-of-former-Pentagon-official-John-Wheeler-s-death


408 posted on 01/16/2011 9:09:07 AM PST by Gabrial (The Whitehouse Nightmare will continue as long as the Nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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To: Sacajaweau

I don’t know how long this angle has been out there, but I just started reading stories about Wheeler having a long history of emotional illness, for which he took prescription drugs. If this was true, wouldn’t the pharmacist who knew him personally, and had filled prescriptions for him in the past, be aware of his illness? If this pharmacist saw Wheeler acting erratically, wouldn’t the pharmacist intercede? Wouldn’t he realize Wheeler was having a medical emergency? Total strangers were concerned, and offered to help, but a pharmacist who knew him personally and was aware of his medical history offered nothing more than to call a cab. Why wasn’t he concerned about Wheeler’s emotional health, and why did it take this long for the media to come up with these allegations?


409 posted on 01/16/2011 9:41:34 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb
I guess we just don't know about the meds...Not too many 65 year olds who aren't on meds. But emotional illness?? with his clearance???

Regardless, the Pharmacy event goes to the question...Why was John at the Plaza to start with? He had to be on a mission...Maybe a Post Office?? Return something?? It's only about a half mile from home....a 10 minute walk. No big deal.

There was a cabbie that said he got a call from an older guy between 4 & 5 on the 29th for a pickup at Rt. 273 and 9th (where the Plaza is). The guy wanted a ride from there to Philadelphia....The cabbie said when he got there (said 20 minutes later), no one was there.

Think the cabbie was lying...He was the manager..but also a cabbie...He probably could have dispatched someone but he went himself because it meant some big bucks. But I'll bet it was a lot longer than 20 minutes and John actually waited an hour before trying to get a ride at the pharmacy. When the pharmacist offered to call a cab...John became disgusted after already waiting an hour for a cab and walked out PO'd.

He probably took off on foot...got picked up and "robbed" and dumped off....and wound up walking a bit more to the garage in Wilmington. The circle for everything is more like an oval...6 Miles n & s....12 miles east and west.

How did the police track the cabbie?? Most wouldn't want to get involved...

And no one has described what he was wearing at the Pharmacy or if he was carrying a briefcase.

Is there more than one cell phone involved?? Ipod, blackberry.

And one more thing...Was John carrying??

As we see him walking last...was he heading for his old standby...the 1993 car that had been parked in the garage since the 13th.

410 posted on 01/16/2011 10:41:51 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: blueplum; Albion Wilde
My intuition says it’s somehow important that the only person Wheeler asked for a ride to his home, was his old-time pharmacist friend, who offered to call him a cab instead.

I've not seen anything that says that.

Every story I've read says that went into the Happy Harry's in New Castle and asked for a ride to Wilmington.

For some reason, and in some way, he exited the train in Wilmington (from what I have read, but haven't confirmed) on Dec 28, leaving his car in Wilmington, and showed up in New Castle the next evening (Dec 29), asking for a ride to Wilmington. Somehow, he gets a ride to Wilmington and is looking for his car in the parking garage 40 minutes later.

If he needed to get home, why did he care how he got there? Why would he ask the pharmacist for a ride anyway if he thought his car was in a parking garage 7 miles away?

He needed a ride to get to his car.

If he was robbed prior to the parking garage, why did he tell people the next day he had plenty of money and how did he get money to buy a cup of coffee?

Good question. And the hoodie.

But perhaps the DART Route 15 showed up after he exited the pharmacy and went (back?) to the stop. But remember that we don't know everything the police know. For example, did he ride the buses regularly?

411 posted on 01/16/2011 12:39:53 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Sacajaweau
On the afternoon of the 29th, John was headed for "Philadelphia". He was fine....just irritated that he had waited for an hour for the cabbie at Rte 273 and 9th...

In an hour's wait, he could have grabbed the Route 15 DART to Wilmington a block or so from the store. Do we know he waited for a cab?

I wonder if he hadn't been waiting for the bus and then walked up to the Happy Harry's when the bus didn't arrive as he expected...?


You are thinking long-acting poison? Toxicology should tell. If he didn't climb into the dumpster himself, it would probably taken more than one person to dump him. There's trace evidence techniques that could help with that, too.

The police know more than they release, and it looks like they are doing well. I hope they find the answers and get a conviction if it is warranted.

412 posted on 01/16/2011 12:42:24 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: hoosiermama
Exactly.

There has to be a reason why he'd leave a car there and get a ride to New Castle. And that would mean there would be someone else he encountered on the evening of Dec 28, someone who took him from the train station to New Castle and we haven't yet heard from.

Depending on the degree of foul play, there are various possibilities. This might be a taxi. It might be the driver of the DART Route 15 bus. This might be a car-pooling arrangement. This might be a "Good Samaritan" who "helped" him out...taking him to New Castle, knocking him on the head, and setting the fires.

The blaring TV might be an unintentional red herring, if he unintentionally left it so it came on loudly while he was gone. Or someone who likes to have loud TV 24 hours a day was waiting for him to return. All depends on what you consider reasonable possibilities.

413 posted on 01/16/2011 12:43:15 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Albion Wilde
Change of clothes? I understood he had something new over his clothes, certainly something he could have purchased with the $120 he said he had. And I don't know what parking lot you're talking about where they taped him looking disoriented or injured. From 10th and Orange, past the Nemours building and down past the Hotel du Pont, you don't have any lots...there are only garages there. If he was moving from the south before he got to 10th and Orange, there are lots between there and his lawyer's office--was he taped there? And the courthouse garage is So please, those of you who are not paying attention, stop saying he had a stroke and climbed into a Dumpster to get warm. It just doesn't fit.

It can.

For example, perhaps...

He heads off to NY and DC, got off the train at Wilmington on the evening of Dec 28. He heads the short distance to his car, slips and falls, hitting his head. He comes to, and flags down a ride to New Castle, etc. Or he gets off the train, takes the bus to New Castle or gets a ride...and has a stroke as he's going into his house. The next day, he wanders up to the pharmacy, but is able to get a bus or other ride to Wilmington. Etc.

Again, so much is out there unknown by us...what suit was he wearing when he left DC? Was it the same one as the following day or not? There are many possibilities, and we can't solve it for sure--or rule out many things--without that information.

414 posted on 01/16/2011 12:47:19 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Gondring

You wrote: You are thinking long acting poison??....I don’t think I have even suggested poison.


415 posted on 01/16/2011 12:58:20 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

It was a question.


416 posted on 01/16/2011 1:35:09 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Albion Wilde

Sorry about the formatting and incomplete post. I realized that when FR was having trouble, some of my posts didn’t go through. I thought these were complete copies that I could post now, but I see that they’re incomplete/corrupted. Oh well...some of the points made it across! :-)


417 posted on 01/16/2011 1:40:49 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Gondring
Oops...Then to answer your question....Don't think poison is involved at all but who knows...

What bothers me is that the police is holding back so much info...Letting people know if he was shot, stabbed, strangled...

However, it may help them if they have the bullet and running ballistics...And maybe they're going through Cold Cases...

I do hope he gets justice.

418 posted on 01/16/2011 1:51:58 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Gondring

Hmmm DART Route 15 bus, Do you have a schedule of that bus route?


419 posted on 01/16/2011 2:25:17 PM PST by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: WestCoastGal

It was on a comment section of one of the articles, but they may have been confused. Have looked but cannot find it now.


420 posted on 01/16/2011 2:33:39 PM PST by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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