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Jury Convicts Army 'Birther' Who Refused Deployment to Afghanistan
FoxNews.com ^ | 12/15/2010 | Staff

Posted on 12/15/2010 12:54:18 PM PST by OldDeckHand

A military jury has convicted an Army doctor who disobeyed orders to deploy to Afghanistan because he questions President Obama's eligibility for office.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: army; certifigate; didnttakelong; fgsitsnotpalin; lakin; military; naturalborncitizen; notaboutpalin; obama; palin; ucmj
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To: Radix
"Both parents must be citizens at the time of birth with a waiver for persons who were alive at the time of the Constitution being written."

The Constitution does not say that.

161 posted on 12/15/2010 3:31:33 PM PST by mlo
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Pretty amazing how newbies flock to this subject.


162 posted on 12/15/2010 3:32:18 PM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: Carry_Okie
"I guess this means he has standing for a case now."

He has standing in his own case, of course. But not one about Obama's eligibility.

163 posted on 12/15/2010 3:34:30 PM PST by mlo
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To: Carry_Okie
I guess this means he has standing for a case now.

Lakin? Why would he have standing now?

164 posted on 12/15/2010 3:35:00 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: STARWISE
Recent hires.
165 posted on 12/15/2010 3:36:45 PM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: Non-Sequitur
I'm not so sure. The harder they hit him the worse it will look for Obama and may actually put this story on page 1. I say look for a demotion of rank and duties and maybe a discharge. Other than honorable and maybe even light duty at some hospital til he can retire. Maybe.
166 posted on 12/15/2010 3:38:19 PM PST by Getsmart64
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
So at least according to that particular scrap of paper, if you're born in the United States, you are a citizen of the United States (and not a naturalized one, either, because they're mentioned separately).

Yep.

There's good reason this "two citizen parent" argument has received no traction whatsoever outside of the birther circus. It's a load of bunk. That's why nobody's buying it.

167 posted on 12/15/2010 3:45:10 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Getsmart64
The harder they hit him the worse it will look for Obama and may actually put this story on page 1.

This is good for a quick mention on Fox, an irate column or two from some unknown Conservative blogger, and that'll be the end of it.

168 posted on 12/15/2010 3:45:29 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: xzins; OldDeckHand

“I’m hoping he gets to appeal or gets to simply choose retirement at his highest completed grade.”

I think Lakin is glad I’m a retired O-5, not an active duty O-6 on the CM.

“MAJ Dobson, the doctor who had to replace LTC Lakin on short notice, testified next. He recounted how two days after arriving in theatre, the unit suffered a mass-casualty attack, with sixteen wounded. He said that he was not, in his opinion, as well-prepared to deal with the attack as he would have been had he had longer to prepare for operations at the FOB. The defense suggested on cross that the deployment was probably a good career opportunity for the major personally.”

I’d be thinking maximum penalty right about now...and a Lt Col shouldn’t be as STUPID as Lakin.


169 posted on 12/15/2010 3:46:14 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: wintertime; Red Steel; Las Vegas Ron; Danae

Yep .. they keep coming, trying to work their
special Omojo... ;)

FYI

** Lakin report coming up on FNC with
Brett Baier now.


170 posted on 12/15/2010 3:46:18 PM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: Getsmart64
The harder they hit him the worse it will look for Obama and may actually put this story on page 1.

This is good for a quick mention on Fox, an irate column or two from some unknown Conservative blogger, and that'll be the end of it.

I say look for a demotion of rank and duties and maybe a discharge. Other than honorable and maybe even light duty at some hospital til he can retire. Maybe.

And I'm saying look for prison time and cashiering.

171 posted on 12/15/2010 3:46:35 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: mlo
The Constitution does not say that.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The Constitution doesn't define the word “is” either.

Fundamentally our experiment in self-rule depends upon the honesty and good will of the citizens dedicated to making it work.

The Constitution could be the size of the IRS code, with every possible term define in tightest legal language possible, and evil will still leak through. The most carefully crafted laws will **NEVER** corral evil.

172 posted on 12/15/2010 3:47:03 PM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: mlo

Yes they were, but do you suppose for one second that they would have granted Natural Born Citizenship to a child born in this country with two foreign citizens parents?

I may have to spell it out for those that believe that anyone born in this country is a Natural Born Citizen but I am sure our Founding Fathers knew exactly what they meant to do when they made that the law of the land.


173 posted on 12/15/2010 3:50:13 PM PST by usmcobra (.Islam: providing Live Targets for United States Marines since 1786!)
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To: wintertime
"The Constitution doesn't define the word “is” either."

Which fact does NOT mean you can make up your own arbitrary definition and claim it's there.

174 posted on 12/15/2010 3:51:15 PM PST by mlo
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To: xzins

I also feel sorry for “Conservatives” that think the military should “just follow orders” that ultimately come from an illegal alien.


175 posted on 12/15/2010 3:51:38 PM PST by omega4179 (Quem deus vult perdere, dementat prius)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

You evade the distinction between “citizen” and “natural born citizen.”


176 posted on 12/15/2010 3:52:08 PM PST by Radix ("..Democrats are holding a meeting today to decide whether to overturn the results of the election.")
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To: Red Steel

Yes, but the other charges of disobeying a lawful order he plead guilt to. He says that he never received notice to deploy to anywhere but Ft. Campbell. And he cannot use the president’s birthplace as grounds to appeal.


177 posted on 12/15/2010 3:52:16 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Mr Rogers

I agree that Lakin made a mistake in judgment. However, it was a mistake on principle. It was not criminally negligent. Nor was it malicious.

His intent was a good purpose. (Whether one agrees with it or not.)

I would let him walk with a reduction. (He was on the O-6 list, iirc, and would have been promoted by now.)

The bottom line is that his punishment should be no worse than any others who miss movement for combat zone deployment. We could probably research what that is.


178 posted on 12/15/2010 3:52:49 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: usmcobra
"Yes they were,..."

I'm glad you can admit that at least.

...but do you suppose for one second that they would have granted Natural Born Citizenship to a child born in this country with two foreign citizens parents?"

"granted" is not the right word, but yes. That was their understanding at the time. Birth in the country is enough. That was the way it worked in England for a very long time and the way it continued to work here as colonies, and as an independent nation.

"...I am sure our Founding Fathers knew exactly what they meant to do when they made that the law of the land."

Of course they knew. They were barring naturalized citizens, immigrants, from the Presidency.

180 posted on 12/15/2010 3:55:24 PM PST by mlo
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