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LTC Lakin's Appeal Denied
U.S. Army Court of Criminal Appeals ^ | 10/12/10 | Clerk of the Court

Posted on 10/13/2010 3:04:13 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan

On consideration of the Petition for Extraordinary Relief in the Nature of a Writ of Mandamus and Application for a Stay of Proceedings, the petition is DENIED.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: army; birthcertificate; certifigate; corruption; doubleposttexan; eligibility; jamese777; kangaroocourt; lakin; military; naturalborncitizen; obama; terrylakin; trollbuckeyetexan; trollcuriosity; trolljamese777
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To: Red Steel

When did Tapper ask him that? I can’t believe I missed that.


121 posted on 10/13/2010 5:33:43 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: 23 Everest
Sir, what is the purpose of our Military?

Thank you for the polite address....I suggest you look up the definitions of the words murder and kill.

122 posted on 10/13/2010 5:34:04 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Moderates manipulate, extremists use violence, but the goal is the same.)
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To: Red Steel

“The proof is being withheld from discovery by the courts...at this point.”

Discovery in not a tool that allows someone without proof to gather some. If I accuse my neighbor of tax fraud, the courts will not allow me discovery and require my neighbor to turn over their financial records for my examination. I need evidence of wrongdoing BEFORE I go to court.

And this case is a bit unusual in that the de facto officer comes into play - even if Obama is found tonight to be a space alien, Obamacare will still be legally binding. And the orders given the military since 20 Jan 2009 would also still be legally binding, which is one of the reasons the judge refuses to pursue Obama’s birth certificate: It isn’t relevant to the case.


123 posted on 10/13/2010 5:35:30 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: Non-Sequitur

All too true, but it was not in force until 1945. Any judgment based solely on the London Agreement would have to be considered Ex Post Facto, would it not, as the acts under consideration were performed beforehand?


124 posted on 10/13/2010 5:36:17 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Mr Rogers

If the President-elect shall have FAILED TO QUALIFY....

On whose shoulders does this requirement stand?

Does it say, “If somebody proves the President-elect didn’t qualified....”?


125 posted on 10/13/2010 5:36:20 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: butterdezillion

I have no idea what happened to records in Hawaii in 1981. My Dad’s service records were part of the many that burned up in a storehouse in the 70s. Given the inefficiency of government, is it really surprising that records get lost?


126 posted on 10/13/2010 5:39:10 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: butterdezillion

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2606824/posts


127 posted on 10/13/2010 5:41:58 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Moderates manipulate, extremists use violence, but the goal is the same.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Correct me if I’m wrong. But you sound and write like a Reid supporter?


128 posted on 10/13/2010 5:44:01 PM PDT by 23 Everest (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone.)
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To: Springfield Reformer

And all the after-birthers in a past thread acknowledged the same.

I gave the scenario where Soldier 1 was ordered to transport the prisoners to the oven, Soldier 2 was ordered to turn on the oven, and Soldier 3 was ordered to clean out the ashes.

None of those orders was, by itself, facially unlawful.

About then they all started calling me a Nazi and getting indignant - arguing that those soldiers should have reasonably known that their actions would end in an unlawful result even if their exact order was not criminal.

Their own words. They admitted it - that there is more to be considered than the mere criminality of a single, isolated order.

They were repulsed when they saw their own argument used to justify Buchenwald and Auschwitz. But then they returned to their own vomit by using the EXACT SAME ARGUMENT to say the single, isolated orders are all that matter in Lakin’s case.


129 posted on 10/13/2010 5:45:04 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: 23 Everest
From your home page....

If your enemy is quick to anger, seek to irritate him.--Sun Tzu

Ain't working noob, now you just sound stupid.

130 posted on 10/13/2010 5:50:11 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Moderates manipulate, extremists use violence, but the goal is the same.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Thanks. I totally missed that. I guess that’s what I get for having a job, huh?


131 posted on 10/13/2010 5:50:23 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: butterdezillion

“They admitted it - that there is more to be considered than the mere criminality of a single, isolated order.”

Yes. If you get an order that will obviously result in something illegal, you should refuse.

The order to deploy is not illegal, and neither are those in Afghanistan right now murderers. If Obama was found to be an alien, the orders to deploy to a combat zone would still be legal, and the soldiers following them still innocent of murder.

If GWB had been found to be illegally installed in 2001, it would not have made me or my fellow fliers murderers.


132 posted on 10/13/2010 5:50:30 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: mlo

Your usage of the epithet birther is a childish attempt to smear esteemed members of this forum.

Obama is not a natural born citizen. Since all military orders originate from the President the orders issued to LTC Lakin are not valid.

LTC Lakin is innocent. The person who should be on trial is Obama.


133 posted on 10/13/2010 5:50:36 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: Mr Rogers

Are you claiming there was a fire at the HDOH? Funny nobody mentioned it...


134 posted on 10/13/2010 5:52:41 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: Mr Rogers

Even if what you were ordered to do is not criminal?


135 posted on 10/13/2010 5:53:51 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Ron, your still typing, asswipe!


136 posted on 10/13/2010 5:54:23 PM PDT by 23 Everest (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone.)
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To: Mr Rogers

If GW had been illegally installed - say, for instance, they just skipped the electoral count and went right to the inauguration - and you or your fliers refused to obey orders emanating from him, would you be guilty of disobeying a lawful order? That is the question.


137 posted on 10/13/2010 5:56:12 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: Mr Rogers
Okay.

The case you cited merely is for "naturalized citizen" determination, which is what most have mis-interpreted as "natural born", which is the case when two U.S. Citizens are the parents at the time of the birth.

Second, the "Certificate of Live Birth" is simply an affirmation record that a parent has petitioned for showing an addition to the family, and simply can be claimed by that parent to say the birth occurred in Hawaii, even though it did not. When you have a LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE, with the ATTENDING PHYSICIAN'S NAME, and the LEGAL NAMES OF EACH OF THE PARENTS, and the residence of each of the parents, AND THE HOSPITAL WHERE THE BIRTH OCCURRED for The Messiah, then let me know will you?

If you wanna cite more specific and relevant case law, try a more recent finding on the term "natural born" vs. "naturalized" or "native born". Maybe you'll see the argument on the Merits, then, as opposed to buying into a non-relevant case.

"Natural Born" has been found to be "born of two U.S. Citizen parents".

Perkins v. Elg Elg v. Perkins, 307 U.S. 325, 59 S.Ct. 884, 83 L.Ed. 1320 (1939)

307 U.S. 325

59 S.Ct. 884

83 L.Ed. 1320

PERKINS, Secretary of Labor, et al.

v.

ELG. ELG v. PERKINS, Secretary of Labor, et al.

Nos. 454, 455.

Argued Feb. 3, 1939.

Decided May 29, 1939.

Page 326

Why would one spend millions of dollars to defend against disclosure of an Original Birth Certificate, if one has nothing to be ashamed of or to hide from the public view?

138 posted on 10/13/2010 5:58:08 PM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama go:nna take care o' me!)
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To: bushpilot1
"Your usage of the epithet birther is a childish attempt to smear esteemed members of this forum."

"Birther" is not an epithet. It is the label which identifies those that believe Obama is not eligible.

"Obama is not a natural born citizen."

Unforunately, he is. And he was elected by our fellow citizens.

"Since all military orders originate from the President the orders issued to LTC Lakin are not valid."

ALL military orders do not originate with the President. Your CO has every right to order you to report to his office, regardless of the President.

"LTC Lakin is innocent. The person who should be on trial is Obama."

Lakin has admitted to the facts of his offense. He is not innocent.

139 posted on 10/13/2010 5:59:21 PM PDT by mlo
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To: 23 Everest
Since you cannot seem to handle the challenge presented to you, let me help:

 Definition of MURDER

1: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought 1kill verb \ˈkil\

 Definition of KILL transitive verb

1a : to deprive of life : cause the death of b (1) : to slaughter (as a hog) for food (2) : to convert a food animal into (a kind of meat) by slaughtering 2a : to put an end to b : defeat, veto (killed the amendment) c : to mark for omission; also : delete d : annihilate, destroy 3a : to destroy the vital or essential quality of b : to cause to stop c : to check the flow of current through 4: to make a markedly favorable impression on 5: to get through uneventfully ; also : to get through (the time of a penalty) without being scored on kill a penalty> 6a : to cause extreme pain to b : to tire almost to the point of collapse 7: to hit (a shot) so hard in various games that a return is impossible 8: to consume (as a drink) totally intransitive verb 1: to deprive one of life 2: to make a markedly favorable impression

 Now, would you like to clarify your comment on what Our Military does??

140 posted on 10/13/2010 6:01:04 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Moderates manipulate, extremists use violence, but the goal is the same.)
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