Posted on 10/13/2010 3:04:13 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
On consideration of the Petition for Extraordinary Relief in the Nature of a Writ of Mandamus and Application for a Stay of Proceedings, the petition is DENIED.
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When did Tapper ask him that? I can’t believe I missed that.
Thank you for the polite address....I suggest you look up the definitions of the words murder and kill.
“The proof is being withheld from discovery by the courts...at this point.”
Discovery in not a tool that allows someone without proof to gather some. If I accuse my neighbor of tax fraud, the courts will not allow me discovery and require my neighbor to turn over their financial records for my examination. I need evidence of wrongdoing BEFORE I go to court.
And this case is a bit unusual in that the de facto officer comes into play - even if Obama is found tonight to be a space alien, Obamacare will still be legally binding. And the orders given the military since 20 Jan 2009 would also still be legally binding, which is one of the reasons the judge refuses to pursue Obama’s birth certificate: It isn’t relevant to the case.
All too true, but it was not in force until 1945. Any judgment based solely on the London Agreement would have to be considered Ex Post Facto, would it not, as the acts under consideration were performed beforehand?
If the President-elect shall have FAILED TO QUALIFY....
On whose shoulders does this requirement stand?
Does it say, “If somebody proves the President-elect didn’t qualified....”?
I have no idea what happened to records in Hawaii in 1981. My Dad’s service records were part of the many that burned up in a storehouse in the 70s. Given the inefficiency of government, is it really surprising that records get lost?
Correct me if I’m wrong. But you sound and write like a Reid supporter?
And all the after-birthers in a past thread acknowledged the same.
I gave the scenario where Soldier 1 was ordered to transport the prisoners to the oven, Soldier 2 was ordered to turn on the oven, and Soldier 3 was ordered to clean out the ashes.
None of those orders was, by itself, facially unlawful.
About then they all started calling me a Nazi and getting indignant - arguing that those soldiers should have reasonably known that their actions would end in an unlawful result even if their exact order was not criminal.
Their own words. They admitted it - that there is more to be considered than the mere criminality of a single, isolated order.
They were repulsed when they saw their own argument used to justify Buchenwald and Auschwitz. But then they returned to their own vomit by using the EXACT SAME ARGUMENT to say the single, isolated orders are all that matter in Lakin’s case.
If your enemy is quick to anger, seek to irritate him.--Sun Tzu
Ain't working noob, now you just sound stupid.
Thanks. I totally missed that. I guess that’s what I get for having a job, huh?
“They admitted it - that there is more to be considered than the mere criminality of a single, isolated order.”
Yes. If you get an order that will obviously result in something illegal, you should refuse.
The order to deploy is not illegal, and neither are those in Afghanistan right now murderers. If Obama was found to be an alien, the orders to deploy to a combat zone would still be legal, and the soldiers following them still innocent of murder.
If GWB had been found to be illegally installed in 2001, it would not have made me or my fellow fliers murderers.
Your usage of the epithet birther is a childish attempt to smear esteemed members of this forum.
Obama is not a natural born citizen. Since all military orders originate from the President the orders issued to LTC Lakin are not valid.
LTC Lakin is innocent. The person who should be on trial is Obama.
Are you claiming there was a fire at the HDOH? Funny nobody mentioned it...
Even if what you were ordered to do is not criminal?
Ron, your still typing, asswipe!
If GW had been illegally installed - say, for instance, they just skipped the electoral count and went right to the inauguration - and you or your fliers refused to obey orders emanating from him, would you be guilty of disobeying a lawful order? That is the question.
The case you cited merely is for "naturalized citizen" determination, which is what most have mis-interpreted as "natural born", which is the case when two U.S. Citizens are the parents at the time of the birth.
Second, the "Certificate of Live Birth" is simply an affirmation record that a parent has petitioned for showing an addition to the family, and simply can be claimed by that parent to say the birth occurred in Hawaii, even though it did not. When you have a LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE, with the ATTENDING PHYSICIAN'S NAME, and the LEGAL NAMES OF EACH OF THE PARENTS, and the residence of each of the parents, AND THE HOSPITAL WHERE THE BIRTH OCCURRED for The Messiah, then let me know will you?
If you wanna cite more specific and relevant case law, try a more recent finding on the term "natural born" vs. "naturalized" or "native born". Maybe you'll see the argument on the Merits, then, as opposed to buying into a non-relevant case.
"Natural Born" has been found to be "born of two U.S. Citizen parents".
Perkins v. Elg Elg v. Perkins, 307 U.S. 325, 59 S.Ct. 884, 83 L.Ed. 1320 (1939)
307 U.S. 325
59 S.Ct. 884
83 L.Ed. 1320
PERKINS, Secretary of Labor, et al.
v.
ELG. ELG v. PERKINS, Secretary of Labor, et al.
Nos. 454, 455.
Argued Feb. 3, 1939.
Decided May 29, 1939.
Page 326
Why would one spend millions of dollars to defend against disclosure of an Original Birth Certificate, if one has nothing to be ashamed of or to hide from the public view?
"Birther" is not an epithet. It is the label which identifies those that believe Obama is not eligible.
"Obama is not a natural born citizen."
Unforunately, he is. And he was elected by our fellow citizens.
"Since all military orders originate from the President the orders issued to LTC Lakin are not valid."
ALL military orders do not originate with the President. Your CO has every right to order you to report to his office, regardless of the President.
"LTC Lakin is innocent. The person who should be on trial is Obama."
Lakin has admitted to the facts of his offense. He is not innocent.
Definition of MURDER
1: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought 1kill verb \ˈkil\
Definition of KILL transitive verb
1a : to deprive of life : cause the death of b (1) : to slaughter (as a hog) for food (2) : to convert a food animal into (a kind of meat) by slaughtering 2a : to put an end to b : defeat, veto (killed the amendment) c : to mark for omission; also : delete d : annihilate, destroy 3a : to destroy the vital or essential quality of b : to cause to stop c : to check the flow of current through 4: to make a markedly favorable impression on 5: to get through uneventfully ; also : to get through (the time of a penalty) without being scored on kill a penalty> 6a : to cause extreme pain to b : to tire almost to the point of collapse 7: to hit (a shot) so hard in various games that a return is impossible 8: to consume (as a drink) totally intransitive verb 1: to deprive one of life 2: to make a markedly favorable impression
Now, would you like to clarify your comment on what Our Military does??
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