Obama Backs Mosque Near Ground Zero

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WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama on Friday forcefully endorsed building a mosque near ground zero, saying the country's founding principles demanded no less. "As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country," Obama said, weighing in for the first time on a controversy that has riven New York and the nation. "That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances," he said. "This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable."

[RummyChick]

I didn’t ask if Obama gave the Queen a freemason Handshake. I asked if Tony Blair did..because it looked like one. And the one to the Pope looked like one, too. Look at the video I posted again.

A poster here claimed Obama couldn’t possibly be a Freemason because of his values. I posted the names of Freemasons with values that I would call into question. Thus, his argument is null and void.

Yes, there are Clandestine Lodges.Don’t you know that.

Also, isn’t it true that Freemasons can lie and it is acceptable to the order..and that they must protect their brothers.

As for the graduation picture,many have said it is photoshopped. The G may be part of the photoshop.

And still no explanation from any of you Freemasons as to why Obama put that picture in his swearing in photo op...of all the pictures and places in the White House..why that one???

If Al sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Mfume, Fattah, and Rangel are Freemasons...then why can’t Obama be one, too?

[nopardons]

Don King............the fight promoter, that Don King? That same Don King who is a REPUBLICAN ?

There are lots of black Masons, have been for almost 200 years now. There are also Asian Masons and *gasp* Muslim ones;
Kemal Ataturk being one of them.

What exactly is the basis for your obvious obsessive loathing of Masons and Free Masonry? Why this deep seated, tinfoil covered fear and hysteria?

Perhaps you should think well on this and stop hijacking this thread, while you’re at it.

[RummyChick]

That may be...but he does want a New World Order.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2009/07/08/2009-07-08_a_popes_new_world_order_benedict_proposes_stunningly_radical_approach_to_global_.html

[nopardons]

That’s true and I think that the Pope ( all Popes ) do hold some kind of position vis-a-vis the Knights Of Columbus, which was formed when one Pope decided that Catholics could no longer be Masons.

[nopardons]

Oh oh....you don’t even remember what you posted at the start of this thread, when you began to go into your delusional ravings about the Mason. OTOH, I do!

You said that Obama gave Queen Elizabeth a “Masonic handshake”. Go back and read your posts.

And your preposterous claim that Blair gave the Pope, of all people, a Masonic handshake, is beyond insane, considering the fact that the Pope can’t be a Mason and neither can any Catholic.

As to “clandestine lodges”.........yes, there have been some, throughout history, they are NOT afilliated to any real lodge, nor to Free Masonry itself. They are far and few between.

On top of that, you’re looking to make excuses for Muslim extremists/terrorists, when, in fact, the group which many Muslims colluded with, in recent history, were the Nazis; the Nazis who hated and villified the Masons, as did the Communists.

You have a fly up your noise about that stupid painting, don’t you? WHY?

As to lying, you are confusing Masons and Masonic values/teachings with Muslims and what’s in the Koran.

As to whether or not Obama “could” be a Mason..........well, he could be one, I suppose, except that in order to become one and work up the degree ladder, one must do a lot of work and memorization; two things that Barry has never shown a propensity for. He didn’t even write either of “his” books, you know.

[nopardons]

Masons have nothing whatsoever to do with the NWO stuff.

Shame on you and your delusional obsession against the Masons!

[RummyChick]

Who is behind Obama’s destruction of American is very relevant.

It isn't just Muslims.

I think the selection of Obama is insidious and evil but it is ingenious.

A black man who may or may not be a Muslim but who everyone assumes is a Muslim - even the Muslims..is a perfect candidate to take us down. They couldnt have done it as fast with Hillary.

I am not sure Obama is really a Muslim. He is so narcissistic and so evil that he may be nothing. The people behind Obama is very relevant. Especially since we have yet another Hindenburg Omen playing out right before the elections AGAIN. You may want to deny that it is a Clandestine Lodge..but it absolutely could be who is behind this. And who ever is behind this is Very Powerful and Very Rich...and I doubt it is just one person. It is quite possible that Mccain is connected to someone involved in this given how he ran his campaign. People need to get past the issue of it's Muslims trying to take us down. Muslims are pawns in this game. There is no doubt in my mind that Obama's family was somehow involved with the Spooks.

[RummyChick]

I can’t even bother to read your post defending the Masons because you are lying about me saying Obama gave the Queen a Masonic handshake.

GO FIND THE POST.

[RummyChick]

Oh really? How do you know?

Is Tony Blair a freemason?

How would you know what Freemasons are up to since it is a “SECRET SOCIETY”?

You are a peon Freemason - not a World Leader Freemason.

[nopardons]

Muslims are not “pawns” in the “game”.......they have been attacking Americans and America since the late 18th century.

They have been attacking Europeans and Europe for far longer.

And they have, without any ties to Masons, or any other social or political group/s, attacked people since it’s inception.

Are there people and groups who have backed and trained Obama, since his birth? Yes, there are and I named a few in an earlier post, which you have chosen to ignore completely and instead, carried on your baseless, delusional tinfoilery.

Who caused the market collapse in ‘08? I’d bet on Soros and his consortium. He has always worked that way ( making money from destroying nations’ wealth ) and McCain was slightly ahead.

McCain isn’t part of anything. He’s damaged goods ( from being a “wild child” to being a POW for so long, there’s little there there ), ran a lousy campaign, but got nothing from losing that race and won’t get anything from helping to destroy this nation.

Aren’t there enough problems, without you looking for ones that don’t exist? Why are you so afraid to look at what is known? Why do you have to believe and try to get others to believe in nonexistent boogeymen hiding in your closet and under your bed?

[RummyChick]

Btw, I don’t owe ANYONE an apology but you do for falsely claiming I said something.

There is info out there that Ronald Reagan was a Freemason. Could be true or not. Winston Churchill was a Freemason.

But supposedly so is Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Mfume, Fattah, and Rangel.

The fact remains that Obama put a painting in a very important photo op for a reason..and you have yet to explain that one. I bet many people here would not even know who that was in that painting without doing some research.

What is a Muslim doing putting Latrobe in one of his most important photos at the beginning of his Presidency??????

Answer that one.

[RummyChick]

Muslims are a pawn in this game . Are you familiar with Track Two type of plots to bring down countries?’

Are you familiar with the Spooks, of this country and other countries... plotting and encouraging one faction over another to achieve their aims? Pawns in a game to achieve a goal?

Believe or don’t believe it. I don’t really care.

Since I have reason to believe..and fully believe..that Obama’s family was involved with the Spooks..it puts a certain spin on the way I view things.

You can believe it is all just Muslims and Soros.

I don’t.

As for Mccain and Soros..maybe you should read this thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1968902/posts

[ducttape45]

I’ll agree with that.

[Tzimisce]

.....sigh....

[nopardons]

The fact is, that you began this whole anti-Masonic hate hijacking, impugning every single Mason alive, dead, and yet to be, as well as Eastern Stars, Shriners, Daughters of the Nile, Rainbow Girls, Job's Daughters, deMolyas, and the members of these peoples families and you DO owe them all a massive apology! Your first OT post about Masons can at your post #29. Nobody picked up on it and so you posted other stuff until some posted something, in #189 ( which was removed long before I ever saw it, so don't know what it contained ), which you replied to in your post #199, wherein you truly launched your hijacking and obsessive crapola about Masons and Obama. In your post #214, you went over the cliff with your picture of Obama's prep school graduation and the non-Masonic handshake handshake. It was also in this post, that you not only talk about Bush the elder and Bush the younger's handshake, which you implied and then took back as being a Masonic one. And then................DRUMROLL PLEASE..................YOU TALK ABOUT A MASONIC HANDSHAKE WITH THE QUEEN! There have been many presidents who were indeed Masons: Washington, Monroe, Andrew Jackson, Polk, Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Garfield, McKinley, Teddy Roosevelt, Taft, Harding, FDR, Truman, Lyndon Johnson, Ford, and not a one of them, as far as any of knows, used that painting for any reason, in the background, for anything. Coolidge wasn't a Mason, but his wife was an Eastern Star and their son was a Mason. Reagan was NOT a Mason, but Winston Churchill most assuredly was one. So was General Pershing, General MacArthur, and many other brave American military man. Is Obama a practicing Muslim? I doubt it, but since both his supposed birth father and his step-father, who may or may not have adopted him were both Muslims, to Muslims all over the world, he IS a Muslim. In the Muslim faith, the children sired by a Muslim father is a Muslim. Why did he have that painting of Latrobe put where it was and then moved? I have no idea and neither do you! For all you know, he wasn't the one who had it placed there. OTOH..............since you have such fear and loathing of Masons, perhaps you should worry about what you've been posting here, since I know, for a fact, that there are some very high degreed Masons here; just saying. *snicker* And now, that you have been proved to be a liar, or, at the least, someone with a terrible memory, you need to pony up that apology; even more now, than before, as well as stop posting this anti-Masonic codswallop!

[nopardons]

I should know better than the try to convince someone so blinkered, that their delusions are just that. But at least I did post hard, cold facts, which others can read, which easily refutes that miasma of delusion you keep posting. Which is better than not refuting you.

Okay, so Muslims are just “pawns” and someone was pulling their strings when they tried to take over all of Europe, again and again and again. I suppose that you want us all to believe that the same was true about Hitler, who really loved the Jews and truly didn’t want to conquer the world either; right ?

[RummyChick]

First of all, you appear to have a reading problem. Post 189 IS NOT MY POST. You can clearly see that in post 199. Are you pulling a Freemason ..it is okay to lie ..stunt?

I did not make a post about Obama shaking hands with the Queen. Is that Another one of the..it is okay to lie stunts????

Two errors or LIES ...just for starters.

I don’t have a hatred of Freemasons. I question all things to do with Obama and this Freemason aspect is interesting to me.

Surely you jest when you think Obama didn’t give approval of that painting to be front and center in his swearing in. He didn’t allow any press. WHY? He controlled the photo op and what was front and center. WHY?

The interesting thing is that Freemasons have posted here saying there is no way that Obama could be a Freemason because he doesn’t have the values.

Yet, the famous shakedown artists are Freemasons. How did THAT happen.

I have clearly stated that some handshakes may be ones that you give the elderly..like the one that Blair did to the Queen in the video I posted..or the one to the Pope.

But then again..the Pope believes in the New World Order.

The handshake that Papa Bush gave to W maybe look like a Freemason handshake but it could have been because of their awkward positions. AGAIN, something I noted.

I had no idea until you started going off on me that The Notorious Shakedown Artists were Freemasons.

So how in the world could anyone here claim that there is no way that Obama could be a Freemason.

And if he IS a Freemason...just how does that play into this whole thing.

You can post away and bluster away and obfuscate all you want..but the fact remains...if Jesse Jackson can be a Freemason then so can Obama.

And you should be asking your precious organization that has values why someone like Obama would be a Freemason.

[RummyChick]

First of all, you appear to have a reading problem. Post 189 IS NOT MY POST. You can clearly see that in post 199. Are you pulling a Freemason ..it is okay to lie ..stunt?

I did not make a post about Obama shaking hands with the Queen. Is that Another one of the..it is okay to lie stunts????

Two errors or LIES ...just for starters.

I don’t have a hatred of Freemasons. I question all things to do with Obama and this Freemason aspect is interesting to me.

Surely you jest when you think Obama didn’t give approval of that painting to be front and center in his swearing in. He didn’t allow any press. WHY? He controlled the photo op and what was front and center. WHY?

The interesting thing is that Freemasons have posted here saying there is no way that Obama could be a Freemason because he doesn’t have the values.

Yet, the famous shakedown artists are Freemasons. How did THAT happen.

I have clearly stated that some handshakes may be ones that you give the elderly..like the one that Blair did to the Queen in the video I posted..or the one to the Pope.

But then again..the Pope believes in the New World Order.

The handshake that Papa Bush gave to W maybe look like a Freemason handshake but it could have been because of their awkward positions. AGAIN, something I noted.

I had no idea until you started going off on me that The Notorious Shakedown Artists were Freemasons.

So how in the world could anyone here claim that there is no way that Obama could be a Freemason.

And if he IS a Freemason...just how does that play into this whole thing.

You can post away and bluster away and obfuscate all you want..but the fact remains...if Jesse Jackson can be a Freemason then so can Obama.

And you should be asking your precious organization that has values why someone like Obama would be a Freemason.

[RummyChick]

Do you have ANY kind of understanding of how a government or a group can use a religious group as a Pawn to achieve a goal?

Isn’t that what many here believe..that Soros et al are trying to destabilize the US and one way to do it is with the Taliban..and with Palestinians versus Israelis, blacks versus whites..Christians versus Muslims, Commies versus conservatives, etc.

sheesh..get a clue.

[DrewsMum]

I heard he was a freemason also....

I thought freemasons were atheists....at least at the highest level....

Oh....shhhhh! I’m not supposed to talk about that....

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