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Large Hadron Collider Rival Tevatron 'Has Found Higgs boson', say Rumours
Telegraph ^ | July 12, 2010 | Tom Chivers

Posted on 07/13/2010 5:25:48 AM PDT by lbryce

Tommaso Dorigo, a physicist at the University of Padua, has said in his blog that there has been talk coming out of the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory in Batavia, Illinois, that the Higgs has been discovered.

The Tevatron, the huge particle accelerator at Fermi - the most powerful in the world after the LHC - is expected to be retired when the CERN accelerator becomes fully operational, but may have struck a final blow before it becomes obsolete.

If one form of the rumour is to be believed - and Prof Dorigo is extremely circumspect about it - then it is a "three-sigma" signature, meaning that there is a statistical likelihood of 99.7 per cent that it is correct. But, of course, that is only if the rumour is to be believed.

In the post, titled "Rumors about a light Higgs", Prof Dorigo said: "It reached my ear, from two different, possibly independent sources, that an experiment at the Tevatron is about to release some evidence of a light Higgs boson signal.

"Some say a three-sigma effect, others do not make explicit claims but talk of a unexpected result."

While media attention has been focusing on the LHC, the Tevatron has been quietly plugging away in the search for Higgs. In the 27 years since it was first completed (it has been regularly upgraded since then) it has discovered a quark and observed four different baryons. While it has not been able to pinpoint the elusive Higgs, it has narrowed the search, reducing the window of possible masses where it might be found.

Last year, Fermi physicists said they expected to have enough data to find or rule out the Higgs by early next year, and gave themselves a fifty-fifty chance of finding it before the end of 2010.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: creation; higgsboson; peterhiggs; physics; science; stringtheory; tevatron; thegodparticle
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To: C19fan

BTW...The super conducting super collider WAS to be built in the US but bill klinton vetoed it. Welcome to the third world. Stupid serfs easier for the “chosen few” to dominate.


61 posted on 07/13/2010 6:57:27 AM PDT by Huebolt (Government bureaucracies: DE-UNIONIZE, DOWNSIZE, DECENTRALIZE)
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To: Lazamataz
Excellent, Smithers!
62 posted on 07/13/2010 7:00:53 AM PDT by starlifter (Sapor Amo Pullus)
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To: Lazamataz
Excellent, Smithers!
63 posted on 07/13/2010 7:00:58 AM PDT by starlifter (Sapor Amo Pullus)
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To: Huebolt

I remember that. If the SSC was located in West Virginia I am sure Byrd would of got the funding, hee hee.


64 posted on 07/13/2010 7:03:17 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: exhaustguy
Good article in recent Scientific American regarding commercial fusion

Please NEVER quote "scientific american" (sic)

It used to be good when the actual researchers wrote the articles, now it is a trivial, POLITICALLY CORRECT in extremis, and totally LIBERAL leftist propaganda organ.

I subscribed to the original for decades. I wouldn't touch the current TIME-NEWSWEEK bastardization for 10 metric tons of element 79...

65 posted on 07/13/2010 7:05:30 AM PDT by Huebolt (Government bureaucracies: DE-UNIONIZE, DOWNSIZE, DECENTRALIZE)
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To: Condor51

“Fermi Lab is a very cool place to visit. And on the property the have Bison roaming in the fields. You can drive around almost the whole facility. But the Visitor Center Tower is where you start and tou can see the ‘Tevatron ring’ outline on th eground.

I didn’t know Fermi Lab would close when the LHC comes fully online, that’ll suck big time.”

I live about 20 miles from the Fermi Lab. The grounds are lovely. Ponds, some historic homes and interesting workers’ housing on the property, as well as ponds, and the herd of Bison kept there. I love to take a ride there in the fall when the leaves are changing colors, and go to stare at the Bison. I always wondered if they kept the Bison there as a first warning signal if something went wrong radiation-wise.

A couple of towns over in another direction is the Argonne National Laboratory whose properties are surrounded by the beautiful area called Waterfall Glenn. Funny, the Argonne Laboratory keeps herds of rare White Deer on their property. In my conspiratorial mind, they keep the White Deer on their property for the same reason that the Fermi Lab keeps Bison, an early warning system for radiation leaks, lol. Or maybe not lol, ......


66 posted on 07/13/2010 7:18:35 AM PDT by flaglady47 (To bastardize Samuel Johnson, tyranny is the last refuge of scoundrels)
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To: DustyMoment
As much as I like to blame Clintoon for everything, many willing accomplices proceeded him. Start with Congress - I guess they didn't like that it was in Texas. George Bush 1 never really supported it. And the project was well over budget.

I had several friends working on it, and at the time of cancellation the problems had been solved and it was back on track.

“Officially” Clintoon did ask that it not be canceled. Of course he didn't really mean it and knew congress intended to do it anyway. There were lots of rumors that big oil funded the push in congress to kill it - but I don't think it was ever proven.

67 posted on 07/13/2010 7:29:20 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: mvpel
But why does it resist being moved, and why does it exert a gravitational pull?

Great question. And one the experts have been struggling to figure out for centuries.

68 posted on 07/13/2010 7:47:50 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

Sooner or later every civilization decides to leave it alone or else shrinks it’s planet down to the size of a pea ...


69 posted on 07/13/2010 7:51:12 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: starlifter
I hate to quibble, but...

You note the resting mass of Xi = 1.315. More accurately, I believe it is 1.316.


70 posted on 07/13/2010 7:55:23 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: C19fan
Why is the Tevatron being retired? It is the second most powerful particle accelerator in the world. WTF!
71 posted on 07/13/2010 7:58:22 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: NY.SS-Bar9

I keep a journal of interesting quotes, I think I’ll jot that one down! Thanks!


72 posted on 07/13/2010 8:02:30 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free)
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To: lbryce

73 posted on 07/13/2010 8:14:37 AM PDT by IamConservative (I don't tweet, I toot...)
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To: dinoparty
I do have a problem, however, with the assumption that the underlying particles and energy are somehow more “real” than our common sense experience. For instance, something cannot be both a particle and not a particle ... this violates the law of noncontradiction which is the very basis of our logic ... which is, incidentally the very logic that we use when we analyze something using the scientific method.

That is the whole point! It does violate the LONC as far as we comprehend it, that's why some crazy scientific dude killed himself because he could not fathom this fact.

I see and agree with what you are saying, however only on a physical humanistic level. Quantum Physics is a much different ball game. In our perceptions we are limited. It's like we live in 4 dimensions, but in reality there are probably 6 more we don't know about, yet! (Flatland)

From a biblical point of view, which is where I am coming from, it confirms certain aspects of scripture which is truly exciting.

74 posted on 07/13/2010 8:14:58 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free)
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To: lbryce

Oooo, I’m all TINGLY inside. Or I might be if I knew what it was or cared.


75 posted on 07/13/2010 8:16:03 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The US will not die with a whimper. It will die with thundering applause from the left.)
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To: dinoparty
When this particle is found and identified, I assume there will be a mystery just as mysterious as to why the particle acts the way it does in order to “cause” mass?

According to Einstein's E=mc^2, mass and energy are manifestations of one other. And since space is not really empty but rather seething with vacuum energy, matter must somehow interact with it to cause space-time warpage, aka 'gravity'. Perhaps matter, in order to exist, 'feeds' off the energy of the vacuum thereby creating regions of net 'excess' density, or excess 'pressure', in the region surrounding the object? This effect would both make it more or less difficult for objects to 'plow' through space (depending on the amount of mass they contain/vacuum energy they use up) and would also draw outside objects into the region they occupy, again depending on the amount of mass they contain.

76 posted on 07/13/2010 8:20:28 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: lbryce

They didn’t need all this expensive equipment to find those things, I’ve got a bunch in my desk drawer.


77 posted on 07/13/2010 8:24:53 AM PDT by loungitude ( The truth hurts.)
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To: Lazamataz
"Please, then, allow me to explain [but I] will not delve too much into the mathematics nor physics of the subject."

Tsk-tsk. You must be one of those liberal subatomic particle theorists.

NINO!*

78 posted on 07/13/2010 8:25:31 AM PDT by leilani (*NINO= nanophysicist in name only)
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To: loungitude

I don’t know. i remember seeing someone called Higgs Boson on a milk carton not that long ago.


79 posted on 07/13/2010 8:51:24 AM PDT by lbryce (Obama Notwithstanding, America's Best Days Are Yet To Be .)
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To: lbryce

Finding the Higgs is big. But a REAL achievement would be finding Obama’s Testicles.


80 posted on 07/13/2010 9:42:21 AM PDT by Paradox (Socialism - trickle up poverty.)
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