Hawaii governor announces 'exact' place of Obama birth

World Net Daily ^ | 5-5-10 | Joe Kovacs

[STARWISE]

'The question has been asked and answered, and I think we should all move on now'

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..... the governor of Hawaii is now publicly voicing the alleged exact location of Obama's birth, saying "the president was, in fact, born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii"

The disclosure is believed to be the first time a state government official has declared the precise place where Obama was born, despite numerous other published claims, including some for a different hospital in Honolulu.

The remark came Sunday night when Gov. Linda Lingle, a Republican, was interviewed on New York's WABC Radio by host Rabbi Shmuley Boteach. (The subject was addressed at the 77-minute mark HERE.)

[Mr Rogers]

What an intelligent and well thought out response to a legal question...< / sarcasm >

[Vendome]

Really? LOLOLOL!!!!

That was your lame response?

You need a brain stem implant.

Thanks for playing and I appreciate your pointed rebuttal.../S

You are dumber than a....well, I can’t think of what you are dumber than. Sadly, that makes you intellectually hollow as an empty pickle barrel, with plenty of echo of your silliness.

[Vendome]

Yes it was an intelligent and well thought response to your idiotic explanation.

You suffer from the pretense of cognitive dissonance and your refuge is fraudulent illiteracy. I have no idea why you want look like a loon but, there it is.

Now I don’t think you are stupid, you just post stupidly.

Please rebut my post, point by point and let’s have a discursive debate...if you can.

BTW, your wingman, who is dumber than you, unbelievably was ZOT’d for being stupid, on purpose.

Do you live your life as a failed intellect, zero accomplishment and uninteresting for your lack of experiences?

Would it kill you to take a couple of classes in English, one in reasoning or getting out of your zip code a couple of times a year?

[Nobel_1]

Re: The question has been asked and answered, and I think we should all move on now

Post is a red herring ... the BC is less important than the often-repeated fact that Zero’s father was never an American citizen ... this means, according to SCOTUS, that Zero is not a natural-born US citizen.

Zero is not eligible and all the MSM and all of DC politicians know it. They are just waiting for the balance of media opinion to tip their way ...

[Candor7]

Joe, you are effing awesome.

[BobS]

Everybody and their mother knows where they were downloaded.

[butterdezillion]

They confirmed that the BC was amended and that the certificate numbers were given by the state registrar on the “date filed”.

One has only to look at the Factcheck COLB and the rules to see that the amendment is required to be noted on the Factcheck COLB if it’s genuine, and it isn’t.

And one has only to look at the Nordyke BC’s to see that the “date filed” on the Factcheck COLB doesn’t work for the certificate number on it.

There’s some deductive reasoning required, since the HDOH refuses to answer questions and the law says we can’t make them. What we can do is request records. In the course of responding to those records requests, the HDOH has revealed these 2 key facts which, when analyzed, reveal the Factcheck COLB to be a forgery.

There will never be a “smoking gun admission” from the HDOH unless and until there is a criminal investigation of the matter and they are deposed. That’s what I’ve been asking law enforcement at every level to do, and none of them will even answer my requests. And that failure of law enforcement is, to me, the crux of this whole issue. I don’t much care what happens with Obama, as much as I care to have the rule of law back in our nation.

If politicians can get away with forgery, perjury, etc.... in full sight of everyone and when a loud outcry has been made including the evidence of those crimes, then what CAN’T they get away with? We’ve seen them illegally take over the banks, auto industry, healthcare, and student loans - while all of us looked on because nobody who was willing to stop them was in a position where they were able to. We the people tried to stop it by electing Scott Brown, so then they just changed the rules. We can try to stop it by the 2010 and 2012 elections, but if local administrators can break the laws right and left and law enforcement looks the other way, what difference will that even make?

The communists in government tried out the rule of law in trying to install an ineligible president and they found that the “conservatives” rolled over and took it in the rear rather than fight back for the rule of law. That’s all the dems/communists needed to know. Their test run proved that the American people are incapable of MAKING the rule of law stick. And ever since then, our “conservative” leadership has been running after the Toyota Regime, shouting, “Wait! Wait! You can’t do that. You can’t accelerate when we’re pressing on the brakes...” as they run roughshod over the rule of law in every area of life.

If we didn’t want what we knew to be a communist regime to have the power to run roughshod over the law (what communist regimes ALWAYS do), then we shouldn’t have STARTED THE CAR IN THE FIRST PLACE. We should have stood up for the rule of law, refusing to let an undocumented worker get the nuclear football, the power to appoint the people who would decide Constitutional issues and turn laws into regulations, make executive orders, etc.

Two small admissions by the HDOH reveal it all. The American public is waking up to reality, but unless we reach the point where the rule of law is seen as vital rather than boring, ho-hum tedium, it may be too late for this Republic.

[Mr Rogers]

“Please rebut my post, point by point and let’s have a discursive debate...if you can.”

All you posted was invective. One doesn’t ‘refute’ invective.

It was sadly typical of many (but not all!) birthers, who have a religious belief that they need to defend from heretics. And unfortunately for you, the heretics include the American People, 50 states, every member of Congress and the US Supreme Court (and every other court in the country).

IF Obama was born in Kenya, you have a case. Until then, you can only substitute hate for thought.

[sometime lurker]

This is where I think the missing pieces are that would make the case stronger. I see where one would suspect the amendment, but I don’t see that they ‘confirmed’ the BC was amended.

Yes, I saw TerriK’s request and the denial. But parts of it appear very broad, so they might deny it based only on a nonamended record. You have interesting speculation and deduction raising good questions, but claiming it as confirmed strikes me as an overreach.

[Vendome]

Invective? You really do possess an intellect of burnt toast.

I posted a factual response.

You posted for the sole purpose of obfuscating and in fact are a liar.

You claimed Elg was a natural born citizen, as if it was stated such in the case. It totally was not and in fact, reference for support of the decision was from another case where the appellant was deemed NBC.

You are a fraud, plain and simple.

Your pansy response that the post was invective doesn’t wash with adults or in the courts. Then again you have a 5th grade education.

As far as Barry O. being born in Kenya, I really have no idea where he was born.

I do know he proferred an incomplete record when it would have been so simple to hand over a copy of the one he found among his mother’s belonging or the one he used to obtain his first passport. You don’t mysteriously lose those types of things.

As for hate, I don’t hate the guy, I just don’t believe he is eligible and his holding the position undermines the Constitution.

I would be fine with Biden and would look forward to his humor. He is, at least an American and if anything, pretty decent on international affairs.

So tell me again how you can support your post of case law, when it was just to easy to refute?

[MHGinTN]

Barry Soetoro claims his father was a Kenyan, never an American or even applying for American citizenship. Barry could have been born in the Oval Office and he still would not meet the definition of Natural Born Citizen as the founders used that word in the Constitution. He may be an American citizen, but he can never meet Natural Born Citizen IF his father was actually the Kenyan Barack Obama. [Your first name wouldn't happen to be Joel, would it?]

[little jeremiah]

I hate the guy, and really like your comments!

[Vendome]

He wears tights and dances with Ron Reagan.

[little jeremiah]

I meant I hate 0thugga. I also don’t like (putting it mildly) 0thugga toadies and sycophants and hirelings.

;-)

[Vendome]

Barry is a sissy too. I don't need to post picture proving it but recall his flinching when the U.S. Judo team did a hip throw to the ground and how Barry cuddled up to Mo. He also has a picture with the leader of So. Korea, in the punch stance. Supposedly Barry is a black belt. Right. His stance is wrong, as are his shoulders, which are forward of hips(zero power) His fist is....well, in the position he has it, the only thing he is going to break is his wrist. His empty hand is in the wrong postion and on and on, and on.

[Mr Rogers]

“he still would not meet the definition of Natural Born Citizen as the founders used that word in the Constitution”

What is the Constitutional definition of NBC?

Some say Vattel is the key, because a translation published after the Constitution uses NBC as the translation for indigenous.

The courts have held that English common law provides the definition intended by the Founders, since natural born subject is the monarchical equivalent of the republican natural born citizen.

If the Vattel theory is right, your interpretation may be correct, although one sentence isn’t much to build a case on.

If the common law theory is correct, then the courts are correct in saying just about anyone born in the USA is a natural born citizen.

Personally, I think the latter is correct, but that it needs to be balanced with an understanding of the differences between 1600 and 2000. The English in 1600 didn’t have a huge number of visitors giving birth in England. I’m not sure there was even an equivalent to ‘tourist’ or ‘illegal immigrant’ back in that day.

That said, I see no chance that the courts will prevent anchor babies. And they certainly are not going to try to remove a sitting President based on overturning the reasoning of WKA.

[little jeremiah]

Check your freepmail.

BTW, check sometime lurker’s posting history. It tells the tale, always does. His first comment is about eligibility.

He’ll never see the points you make about the COLB, the HI DOH, or anything. His purpose is to create doubt about your findings, he has no interest in truth. Don’t give the enemy ammo.

[little jeremiah]

Supposedly he’s a black belt??? Mojitojoe has the best collection of “fag” photos.

[Mr Rogers]

“You claimed Elg was a natural born citizen, as if it was stated such in the case.”

Even birthers agree she was a natural born citizen, since her father was naturalized at the time of her birth and only later renounced US citizenship.

However, the court decision mixed native born and natural born several times, which was either an inexcusable sloppiness of language in a SCOTUS decision, or evidence that the SCOTUS saw no difference between the terms.

Subsequent legal decisions indicate the prevailing opinion is that the SCOTUS saw no difference.

That is why you end up with quotes such as follows, well prior to Barry’s candidacy:

“NATURAL BORN CITIZENS. A natural-born citizen of the United States is one who is a citizen by reason of his place of birth or the citizenship of his father. The two classes of naturalized and natural born citizens are thus mutually exclusive, and together constitute the entire citizen body of the United States. ”

Andrew C. McLaughlin & Albert Bushnell Hart ( Ed.), CYCLOPEDIA OF AMERICAN GOVERNMENT Vol. 2 (1914).

“NATURAL-BORN CITIZEN. A person whose citizenship derives from the nation where he or she was born.”

Kenneth Robert Redden, Enid Veron, Modern Legal Glossary, pg. 263 (1980)

And of course, from that well known leftist aide to President Reagan:

“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”In United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), the Supreme Court relied on English common law regarding jus soli to inform the meaning of “citizen” in the Fourteenth Amendment as well as the natural-born-citizenship requirement of Article II, and noted that any right to citizenship through jus sanguinis was available only by statute, and not through the Constitution. ”

Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005)

“Then again you have a 5th grade education.”

Don’t you realize how stupid it makes all birthers look when their allies use attacks like that?

Maybe not...