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Posted on 03/27/2010 12:59:55 PM PDT by worst-case scenario
It's been said that the military is always preparing for war. That is true. We prepare for combat every day. We ran 5 miles today to the rifle range and shot nearly 200 rounds a piece at targets and then ran back. However, we also pray for peace. I would love one day to be completely unnecessary. But alas, I am a realist, and I know that day will never come.
The headlines of the last week have reminded me more of glimpsing at the S2 Daily Briefing Sheets while in theater or the Al-Jazeera than the NY Times or the Washington Post. Think about that for a moment, let it sink in.
Before I get into the main premise of this article - I need to make two statements here.
First and foremost , when it comes to the back and forth of who did what to whom and why - I don't give a @!$%#. It doesn't change the action. In life we're judged by our actions, nothing more, nothing less. One of the greatest things of the military is when it comes to an enemy, the politics behind the situation - don't matter in accomplishing that mission. For the military , life is simple in that regard.
Secondly, Regardless of your political ideology, you've earned the right as US Citizens to say your piece - no matter how wrong it may be. That is your right, and I will give my life to protect it.
(Excerpt) Read more at christopher-calbat.newsvine.com ...
The guy sounds a little wee-wee’d up, not noticing that its his side that’s trashing the Constitution.
“Now I ‘d like to disperse a myth here - many of you think that US military would not fight civilians. I can’t speak for all, but in my case - the moment you declare civil war, you’re no longer civilians. The moment you attack the constitution, you’re now enemies of that constitution. And I swore to defend and support and if necessary give my life for that Constitution and utilize every tool, technique, and weapon at my disposal to do so. And trust me, I’m not alone.”
Thanks for the threat, A-HOLE!
Now, what do you plan to do about those that are ACTUALLY SUBVERTING YOUR CONSTITUTION?
ANY TOUGH WORDS FOR THEM, SOLDIER?!
Exactly WHO is trying to overthrow your government?
But he is certainly correct (and this threat is a proof) when he says the military will murder American citizens if given the order.
Your a damned fool to think otherwise.
This is why we don’t play games with principles.
WRONG. No it's not!
I know the author's intentions are good, but he needs to remember that our nation os a constitutional republic. Democracy is not a stable form of government...why else do you think the lefties promote democracy like they do? It's 'cuz they know this too, & wish to replace it w/ something else -- a totalitarian state where the individual has no meaning.
He says the moment someone goes against the consitution he’ll defend it. How about going to D.C. and do your job.
I know that’s going to make a lot of people angry. And he’s right in that the military will fire on civilians. And that’s the scary part. Another example of where the constitution is trampled on.
With that said, I’ve not seen anyone on here calling for a civil war. I’ve seen people say it might come to that.
I have to wonder if this wasn’t written by a liberal who’s scared to death there’s going to be a civil war. In this day and age we need to check out everybody. Even those who profess to be on our side.
>>What did you think of the arguments the Sgt. made?<<
I think he got a bit carried away with himself.
For all I know any violence comes from dim plants.
It is a representative republic. Or at least it used to be. Democracy is mob rule. I doubt this ass clown is a Marine. But if he is he is on the wrong side of the fence.
Silly me. I had just assumed the troops would be on OUR side, not OCommie’s!
There are very few righties left on the site. The ones that stay have Stockholm Syndrome. I spent some time at Newsvine as a contributor and know full well what kind of treatment anyone to the right of center gets.
The Sergeant’s arguments were puerile and quite unknowledgable except for telling us he’d be willing to take up arms against the civilian population of the U. S.
>Not only that, but it’s not a democracy. It’s a republic.
Which “somehow” escaped this “Marine”. I call BS on this MSNBC-owned Newsvine article..
This has to be a hoax. Either that or General Conway needs to get busy and educate his Marines.
The rest of this blog posting:
Secondly, Regardless of your political ideology, you’ve earned the right as US Citizens to say your piece - no matter how wrong it may be. That is your right, and I will give my life to protect it.
But this government of ours is a democracy. We vote for our representatives, and they vote in our interests. Sometimes, the votes don’t go our way. That’s life, better luck next time. Exhaust your legislative options, and then focus on gaining the required votes and/or seats to achieve your desired legislative vote next election time. That’s the way things work.
But the SECOND you start committing acts of violence and vandalism, then you’ve usurped that Constitution. You in a way have assaulted it. And then you and I (I being every servicemember who has sworn to defend said Constitution) will have a MAJOR PROBLEM.
For those of you calling for a civil war, I implore you to stop and think about what you’re saying. Look around your neighborhood and your city. Now imagine using that terrain to survive. Imagine dodging semi-automatic rifle fire as you scramble from cover to cover, dragging your wounded child behind you. Imagine the deafening report of a mortar as it strikes the ground a 150 feet in front of you, the overpressure enough to shatter your teeth and perforate an ear drum. Try and envision a Stryker rolling through neighbor’s front lawn or a F/A-18 making lazy loops over your head in Close Air Support for the troops in the distance.
Now with that vision in mind, stop by your local Marine Corps base, being they will be the first military units you’d face in an all out ‘civil war’ . Look at them for a moment, examine their ‘work environment’ . They’re running the track, they’re climbing ropes, they’re grappelling with each other in mock hand-to-hand combat, and shooting targets while moving in raid lines on a daily basis. Nearly everyone on that base, down to our ‘secretaries’ has a combat award of one type or another, they’ve faced some of the most stressful situations on Earth where succumbing to the stress can get you killed, and they flourished.
Now ask yourselves and be honest - when is the last time you’ve run anything other than late to work, climbed anything other than a flight of stairs, grappelled with anything other than a paper jam, and shot off anything other than your mouth? When’s the last time you were in any situation more stressful than a traffic jam?
Now I’m not blaming you for your career choice, not in the least. I can’t think of a single job that’s not useful in some way or another. I just want you to simply compare and contrast your work environment with ours and ask yourselves “Who is better suited to win this battle ?” We both know the answer here, and if you doubt that answer, look at the results from Fallujah in 2004. Over 1200 of them ‘lost’ and we ‘lost only 28. That’s a ‘win-ratio’ of almost 60-1, and they’ve been fighting their whole lives.
Put this in another scenario. You and your officemates think your local pro football team sucks , so you put together your own team of the best your company has and challenge them to a game. Even if your team might be good, they’re professionals. This is their job. Your job is to answer phones and type on a keyboard. In short, they’ve forgotten more than you will ever know about football. The result, will be a slaughter for you, and a practice for them. But at least you’ll get a chance to sit at home, ice your wounds and say ‘whew I never should’ve done that!’
Not so with combat. The results of combat are far...FAR..more permanent. There are no second chances, no time for regrets, and no do-overs. This is not Call of Duty.
Now I ‘d like to disperse a myth here - many of you think that US military would not fight civilians. I can’t speak for all, but in my case - the moment you declare civil war, you’re no longer civilians. The moment you attack the constitution, you’re now enemies of that constitution. And I swore to defend and support and if necessary give my life for that Constitution and utilize every tool, technique, and weapon at my disposal to do so. And trust me, I’m not alone.
I hope some of you heed my words and cool the rhetoric and focus on achieving your goals diplomatically instead of physically. It would never want to receive a frag order to Maryland, or North Dakota, or Texas, but it is an order I will follow no matter how much it pains me to do so.
This is lovely. The Left can all for the assassination of President Bush and for troops to frag their officers, but now we mush have civil discourse and dissent is treason.
This “call for civil war” is Democrat propaganda to paint the Right as violent, and this jarhead is playing right along.
The US military may not be used against American citizens, EVER. And when they do expect for them all to be slowly wiped out. Many will die including the innocent, but I will use every speck of training I got in the Army to defend my home, family, friends & neighbors from an invading force bent on supporting an evil tyrant. Even at my advanced age I can still shoot a gun and kill several of your troops before you get me. So can my brother, or my neighbor, or my wife, or my sons, or my ......
What Marine unit ran 5 miles to the range and ran 5 miles back?
NAME IT, please. Unless it’s Force Recon, I ain’t buying it. My BS flag is WAY up.
What I think is he’s an idiot. I couldn’t get past the pink ponies and yellow twinkly star idea that our voted for representatives are on our side.
Yes. When his civilian masters in the White House wipe their butts with the Bill of Rights, who will he fire on?
I might remind him that the Marine Corps was all but disbanded in the “first†Civil War...with most of the officers going to the southern side I might add...(VMI grads).
You got it. Nobody in their right mind would “call” for a Civil War.
the SECOND you start committing acts of violence and vandalism, then you've usurped that Constitution. You in a way have assaulted it. And then you and I (I being every servicemember who has sworn to defend said Constitution) will have a MAJOR PROBLEM.So, the author thinks that the Constitution is usurped only when "violence and vandalism" occur -- but when it is blatantly, openly, and wantonly defied BEFORE the vandalism (i.e., by the Congress), well, according to the author, that doesn't need to be mentioned.
Later, he goes on to talk about voters declaring "civil war" -- but, again, no mention of CONGRESS declaring war on the electorate.
Apparently, this Marine picks and chooses when he thinks the Constitution has been violated. No matter what he's faced in the field, he's got a lot of growing up to do.
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