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Obamacare worth the price to Democrats (GOP Will Not Repeal It)
http://www.ocregister.com ^ | March 5, 2010 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 03/05/2010 4:09:43 PM PST by Para-Ord.45

Why is he doing this? Why let "health" "care" "reform" stagger on like the rotting husk in a low-grade creature feature who refuses to stay dead no matter how many stakes you pound through his chest?

Because it's worth it. Big time. I've been saying in this space for two years that the governmentalization of health care is the fastest way to a permanent left-of-center political culture. It redefines the relationship between the citizen and the state in fundamental ways that make limited government all but impossible. In most of the rest of the Western world, there are still nominally "conservative" parties, and they even win elections occasionally, but not to any great effect (Let's not forget that Jacques Chirac was, in French terms, a "conservative").

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To: Man50D

Doesn’t matter. The Constitution means what 5 people in black robes say it means. If the people in black robes say 2 + 2 = 5 then for the legal definition it does, despite the anarchy it engenders. There’s no substitute for common sense.


21 posted on 03/05/2010 4:32:53 PM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: Para-Ord.45

I seldom disagree with Steyn, but I do on this.

It is not because of lack of will from Republicans to undo entitlements, it has been because of lack of power.

Republicans have never had a conservative majority...period. Without one, you cannot undo entitlements. There is no point in bitching about it.

All Republicans have been able to do the last thirty years is slow down the Democrats, and block power grabs like this one.....now they can’t even do that.

That’s the American people’s fault, not the Republicans. When “conservatives” turned their back on GWB and the Republicans of 2004, it opened the door for this. Conservatives forgot who the real enemy was, and that fifty percent of voters simply vote for who gives them the most goodies (Democrats).

Maybe now, just maybe, Obama and the Dem’s hubris will give us that majority, however, I doubt it. Even so, it will be impossible to repeal Healthcare with Obama in office. Nothing can be done about it until 2013 at the earliest, and that is too late.

Conservatives were warned what was at stake, but pet issues were more important. Now, we aren’t going to get a second chance....I hope everyone likes being treated like cattle, ‘cause that’s whats going to happen.


22 posted on 03/05/2010 4:34:58 PM PST by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: FastCoyote

touche


23 posted on 03/05/2010 4:35:55 PM PST by BornToBeAmerican (“If you think education is expensive try ignorance.”)
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To: BornToBeAmerican

Do you think all those pissed off will suddenly desire a return to a constitutional republic and do without the gravy? Half or more of those pissed off people will want more government, not less.

As I saw someone else post, the tree of liberty thirsts.


24 posted on 03/05/2010 4:35:56 PM PST by ecomcon
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To: Para-Ord.45

It redefines the relationship between the citizen and the state in fundamental ways that make limited government all but impossible.

Bears repeating:

It redefines the relationship between the citizen and the state in fundamental ways that make limited government all but impossible.


25 posted on 03/05/2010 4:37:15 PM PST by EBH (The warning bell of Freedom is ringing, can you not hear it?)
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To: BornToBeAmerican

Conservatives were warned what was at stake, but pet issues were more important. Now, we aren’t going to get a second chance....I hope everyone likes being treated like cattle, ‘cause that’s whats going to happen.

Thank you


26 posted on 03/05/2010 4:37:18 PM PST by BornToBeAmerican (“If you think education is expensive try ignorance.”)
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To: BornToBeAmerican
Yep, I am sick of people telling me how it is going to be.

Does Mark Know. If then how does he know? If he knows so much, then why not tell us how to stop it, either this time around or the next. But STOP it, turn it around and NOY settle. Becasue if we settle, every life lost fighting for this country was in vain.


I agree. Mark Steyn probably would have said it was impossible for a Republican to win the Senate in Massachusetts. But it happened. Mark Steyn probably would have said it was impossible for a guy like Obama to be elected but he was. Mark Steyn has been flat out wrong about a lot of things. Yes he's more right than wrong and he's one of my favorite people around BUT he's not incapable of error. He's been wrong before.
27 posted on 03/05/2010 4:37:48 PM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: BornToBeAmerican; Mr. K
Are you going too? If not, then where is his genius?

Part of his "genius" is evident in his ability to use "to" and "too" correctly.

Mark Steyn is the closest thing we have now to W F Buckley: someone you might want to learn about. Someone who can extol the virtues of conservative capitalism and the vices of marxist bammy on a level that can convert the uninformed (aka government school grads) over to "OUR" side if you will allow it.

Buckley and a handful of other opinion leaders rallied conservatism from near death after Goldwater (someone you also might want to consider reviewing in retrospect) and brought us eventually into the Reagan Era at just the right time.

You are effectively doing the opposite, unleashing fire at people who are on America's side in this war for the Republic.

Tinpot keyboardists fragging a great writer like Steyn do the Dems more good than a hundred DUers do for their own cause.

Pull your head out and dress the rank and drink a big cup of stfu.

28 posted on 03/05/2010 5:02:39 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: ecomcon
As I saw someone else post, the tree of liberty thirsts

That's an interesting reminder. Because it didn't mean that the tree of liberty will always be watered with the blood of patriots. Just that in order for it to survive, it must be so 'watered.'

IOW, if the wait is too long, then the tree slowly dies, and once dead, can do nothing but burn.

Yikes!

29 posted on 03/05/2010 5:07:13 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine
:)

Part of his “genius” is evident in his ability to use “to” and “too” correctly.

I think you would call this basic English.

SLAP!!!!

Yes, you checkmated me with this:

“You are effectively doing the opposite, unleashing fire at people who are on America's side in this war for the Republic.

Tinpot keyboardists fragging a great writer like Steyn do the Dems more good than a hundred DUers do for their own cause.”

You are right of course.

30 posted on 03/05/2010 5:16:45 PM PST by BornToBeAmerican (“If you think education is expensive try ignorance.”)
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To: BornToBeAmerican

You really need to wake up and smell the coffee. Who was it that got us halfway to socialized medicine in the first place?

George W. Bush, with his prescription-drug benefit program, that’s who!

And you really think that the party of ‘Communist-lite’ ideology is really going to do anything about this? Yeah, in your dreams!


31 posted on 03/05/2010 5:27:17 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: goldstategop

Welfare reform act of 1996.


32 posted on 03/05/2010 5:28:04 PM PST by listenhillary (the only reason government wants to be our provider is so it may become our master)
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To: Libloather

Well elections do have Consequencesas Ed Koch Once said we Had an election the people Threw me out now the people must suffer.


33 posted on 03/05/2010 5:33:09 PM PST by ballplayer
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To: Para-Ord.45

Obamacare is going down. - Self interest is a big facet of liberalism, and those congress critters don’t want to become civilians.


34 posted on 03/05/2010 5:37:23 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: A.Hun

I agree, It’s a pipe dream to think that a republican congress can or would undo the mess that Obama is pushing on us. Republicans are not by definition, “conservative”, though some conservatives are republicans.

Snowe and Collins in Maine and McCain in Arizona and others. Here in Illinois we already have our “republican” nominee for the senate race in Nov. current Representative in the House, Mark Kirk, a more liberal candidate you’ll never find and people think these jokers will ever repeal anything?

Historically it doesn’t happen, government welfare programs only get bigger and bigger.

By the way, I will not vote for Mark Kirk, just as I will never vote for Mitt Romney.


35 posted on 03/05/2010 5:39:58 PM PST by Graybeard58 ("0bama's not just stupid; He’s Jimmy Carter stupid”. - Don Imus)
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To: BornToBeAmerican

Ok, I’ll play...besides extremely being critical of a fairly concise, well-written article that makes many valid points, WHAT exactly are you doing to stop healthcare reform? That is a serious, sincere question.

A straight-forward answer without changing the subject, ad hominem attacks or any mention of FR account sign-up dates would be greatly appreciated.

thanks


36 posted on 03/05/2010 5:40:52 PM PST by Mister Muggles (.Seattle: A city full of Liberal men with vaginas.)
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To: BornToBeAmerican

For the GOP to repeal this legislation, it would not only have to get control of congress, but also have enough votes to override a certain Obama veto.

That’s very unlikely.

If there is a GOP President and a GOP Congress in 2013, then it may be done, but it is still unlikely, as the GOP would need a supermajority in the Senate to prevent a Democrat filibuster.

Kill it now.


37 posted on 03/05/2010 5:47:21 PM PST by Ted Grant
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To: Graybeard58
Republicans are not by definition, “conservative”, though some conservatives are republicans.

You are correct, and it has always been that way. Republicans as a party are just more conservative than Democrats have been (since Reagan).

I also agree that once government health care is in, it is in to stay.....

At this point, simply voting your conscience isn't going to hurt or help....so go for it. We aren't going to get the 3 trillion spent by Obama back, just as the lives lost in Afghanistan because of Obama's ROE's can't be recovered. Regardless of who is in office, it will be years before our economy recovers.

This is the saddest time for America in my life. Even Clinton (as dumb as he was) wasn't hell bent on destroying our country.

38 posted on 03/05/2010 5:50:45 PM PST by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: truthguy

The Constitution means what the Constitution says it means.


39 posted on 03/05/2010 5:52:12 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Mr. K

He keeps getting more and more stupid. He is one of the most overrated conservative personality. He is always unfocused. He laughs at his own stupid jokes. He cannot concentrate on one issue without going on multiple issues that have nothing to do with the issue he started. This article is an example of his stupidity.


40 posted on 03/05/2010 5:56:07 PM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops)
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