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My final thought on the birther issue
Red State ^ | February 14, 2010 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 02/15/2010 2:06:27 AM PST by FTJM

A lot of you have asked if I’ve gotten any more emails. Below the fold, a compilation of emails that have come in. But above the fold, my final word.

Based on the facts, it is very clear that President Obama is our lawfully elected President and the Office of President of the United States of America requires that though we may disagree with him and oppose him, we recognize and respect his position as President — a position entrusted to him by 69,456,897 voting Americans, or 52.9% of the popular vote.

As early at 1350, the British Parliament approved statutes recognizing the rule of jus sanguinis, under which citizens may pass their citizenship by descent to their children at birth, regardless of place. Similarly, in the its first naturalization statute, Congress declared that ‘the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens.’ 1 Stat. 104 (1790) . . . . Notwithstanding the Supreme Court’s discussion in Wong Kim Ark (1898), a majority of commentators today argue that the Presidential Eligibility Clause incorporates both the common-law and English statutory principles, and that therefore, Michigan Governor George Romney, who was born to American parents outside of the United States, was eligible to seek the Presidency in 1968.

Meese, Edward, Heritage Guide to the Constitution, p. 190 (2005).

Even were the American public to fall under the belief that Barack Obama was born in a foreign country and 49 years ago his associates fabricated a narrative, a birth record, and placed birth announcements in both the Honolulu Advertiser and the Star Bulletin on August 4, 1961, to ensure that 49 years later he could become President of the United States, it is undisputed that Barack Obama’s mother is and has always been an American citizen. Therefore Barack Obama is and has always been an American citizen.

The leaps of logic and reason to arrive at such a conspiracy are unbefitting the credibility of anyone and not worthy of further discussion. Notwithstanding the same, no American should ever sanction what would amount to a judicial coup — the removal of the President of the United States after 52.9% of the American public instructed their Electoral College representatives to place their votes for him. The time to even be willing to entertain these issues from those who claim a conspiracy has long past.

A conservative movement worthy of leading this nation must be willing to cast aside those who, for whatever reason, cannot and will not be persuaded that the President is our legitimately, constitutionally elected President.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; eligibility; fraud; ineligibility; naturalborncitizen; obama; usurper
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To: DaveTesla
The newspaper announcements are the ultimate Red Herring.

Whethere they are legitimate or not, they are not legal proof of "natural born" citizenship and qualificaton of Potus.

81 posted on 02/15/2010 5:18:31 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Don't settle for less than fresh roasted coffee!)
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To: Jim Noble
Jeopardy Theme Song
82 posted on 02/15/2010 5:18:58 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: mason-dixon

They can call me a “birther” or whatever but I really do not care. I and many other people have very legitimate questions about the man who currently occupies 1600 Pennsylvania ave.

I have written many congresspersons about this issue telling them I have a right to NOT recognize or abide by ANY law or decree set forth by this illegitimate “president” along with any other unconstitutional garbage that comes out of DC. I also told them I would back up my beliefs with my life if necessary. Not one single response from ANY of my or any other “representative”. We no longer live in the country that it was when I was born, and that was not that long ago.

This is not this the only issue that shakes the very foundation of everything I believed about America. The complete and utter disregard for the constitution also is a huge concern in my eyes. Out “representatives” constantly vote with what saves their jobs and pensions (Bailouts) and leaves main street to crumble. Yeah I’m pretty bitter and for me none if this is going to go away until it is fixed or I am dead, whichever comes first.


83 posted on 02/15/2010 5:19:12 AM PST by Madashel
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To: EBH

Dead people voting
3000 dead people registered to vote in Ohio

I wonder how many were registered as Republicans?


84 posted on 02/15/2010 5:19:44 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: FreeAtlanta

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2451486/posts?page=15#15


85 posted on 02/15/2010 5:21:39 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Madashel

Many other countries hate us and envy us because America was the land of the Free and Free Speech.

America lately is also full of Free “but distorted speech” similar to buying freight damaged goods at a wholesale outlet.

People want a bargain often not seeing spoiled or out of date goods, that is what the MSM has become.


86 posted on 02/15/2010 5:24:14 AM PST by Eye of Unk ("Either you are with us or you are for the terrorists." ~~George W. Bush)
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To: Jim Noble
What I'm driving at is this thing called fraud in American jurisprudence.
Passing yourself off as something you're not is a form of fraud.
Fraud is punishable by law.
87 posted on 02/15/2010 5:27:46 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: FTJM

Bookmark


88 posted on 02/15/2010 5:36:07 AM PST by jch10 (It is an ill wind blowing...)
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To: Jim Noble
I'm still waiting.
How can Barack Obama Jr. qualify as a natural born citizen when one of his parents isn't even a US Citizen to begin with?
89 posted on 02/15/2010 5:40:29 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
How can Barack Obama Jr. qualify as a natural born citizen when one of his parents isn't even a US Citizen to begin with?

So what?

The venue for this dispute has been passed by Obama.

No further Constitutional remedy is available.

It's over.

90 posted on 02/15/2010 5:58:16 AM PST by Jim Noble (Hu's the communist?)
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To: DaveTesla

That title is a bit misleading, if one follows the ballotpedia links one will find out those 3,000 dead people still registered were for only ONE of Ohio’s 88 counties!

October 30, 2008

Television station WHIO-TV in Dayton, Ohio, conducted a month-long investigation into the possibility of dead people voting and found:

3,856 dead voters were still registered to vote in Miami Valley.
22 of those dead voters appear to have voted.
Nancy Watts of Beavercreek, Ohio, who has been dead for two years, voted in the March 4, 2008 primary.


91 posted on 02/15/2010 5:58:27 AM PST by EBH (The warning bell of Freedom is ringing, can you not hear it?)
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To: Jim Noble
So what?
You didn't answer the question which is telling, in and of itself.

The venue for this dispute has been passed by Obama.
You've made an assertion. Good for you.
No further Constitutional remedy is available.
You've made another assertion. Good for you again.
It's over.
There is a statute of limitations on fraud?

92 posted on 02/15/2010 6:05:33 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: browardchad; Jim Noble
I had no idea of the cheap shenanigans outlined by BrowardChad and they are, of course, to be deplored. I don't visit many sites other than Free Republic and where it directs me. I guess I got to get out more.

The idea that these television personalities can hang the most toxic allegation, racism, on the birthers and then by extension liable the tea party movement is 1000 times more outrageous than what I have personally seen done by the birthers. Racism is still the ultimate taboo in America, even worse than dead girls and live boys.


93 posted on 02/15/2010 6:09:37 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: philman_36
You didn't answer the question which is telling, in and of itself.

Telling of what, exactly?

When Obama falls, he will be brought down by the Constitution.

I merely point out that the safeguards erected by the founders have failed, in this case, to prevent an undesired outcome.

Creating an extraconstitutional remedy moves us further away from the endgame.

94 posted on 02/15/2010 6:15:38 AM PST by Jim Noble (Hu's the communist?)
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To: philman_36

But it does clarify the original intent of the Founding Fathers, much like the Militia Act of 1792 clarifies the intent of the 2nd Amendment.

(FWIW: I’ll contend BHO was born in Kenya.)


95 posted on 02/15/2010 6:18:56 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Pelosi is practically President; the Obama is just her talk show host.)
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To: Jim Noble
Telling of what, exactly?
That answering the question would put you in an untenable position.

When Obama falls, he will be brought down by the Constitution.
I wholeheartedly agree. Starting with Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5.

I merely point out that the safeguards erected by the founders have failed, in this case, to prevent an undesired outcome.
You've made an assertion. That's all.

Creating an extraconstitutional remedy moves us further away from the endgame.
There is no need for an extraconstitutional remedy.

96 posted on 02/15/2010 6:23:38 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: flash2368
Erickson is a “natural born” idiot.

Literally LOL.

Who does he think he is?


97 posted on 02/15/2010 6:27:19 AM PST by McGruff (Don't criticize. Explain to me who I should support other than Sarah Palin.)
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To: ctdonath2
But it does clarify the original intent of the Founding Fathers...
No, it doesn't. It shows that the men who passed the law were trying to play favorites.
See reply 71
Further, for the FF intent see 'The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law' as U.S. Federal Common Law Not English Common Law Define What an Article II Natural Born Citizen Is
Before and after the revolution, the Founders considered anyone who resided in the colonies or States and who adhered to the revolutionary cause to be a “citizen,” regardless of place of birth or condition of the parents. But the law of nations did provide for a strict definition of a “natural born citizen,” i.e., a child born in the country of citizen parents. And the Founders also adopted that stricter definition for an Article II “natural born Citizen” which applied only to one wanting to be President and Commander in Chief of the Military.
Snip...The Framers did not define an Article II "natural born Citizen" because they did not see a reason to. It was a term that was well defined by the law of nations and well-know by civilized nations.
98 posted on 02/15/2010 6:37:49 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: ctdonath2
“the children of citizens of the United States”...
The “key word” - parents is plural....”at least one parent” would be singular and is the central issue of Obama’s citizenship status by birth. Current citizenship status is a whole issue of its own.

Relax - Breathe - Smile

99 posted on 02/15/2010 7:08:45 AM PST by Grand
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To: nathanbedford

“There is however a faint hope that enough states might pass legislation requiring production of documents cause Obama some difficulty in his quest for reelection. This is however only the faintest of hope.”

Perhaps not that far-fetched after all. Consider the conclusion at the end of this article.
http://www.michiganlawreview.org/articles/the-justiciability-of-eligibility-may-courts-decide-who-can-be-president


100 posted on 02/15/2010 7:09:17 AM PST by PeteCat
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