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Key lawmakers warm to bipartisan bill overhauling gun laws
The Medfield Press (Mass.) ^ | Jan 27, 2010 | Gintauas Dumicus

Posted on 01/29/2010 7:41:02 AM PST by neverdem

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“There should be one standard for applying for what is a constitutional right,” Timilty said.

Let's license our rights, NOT!

1 posted on 01/29/2010 7:41:02 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

“Tough cases make bad law.”

There are already enough laws (crimes) with which to charge the parent, the range supervisor, and others for the INSANITY of that eight-year-old’s death.


2 posted on 01/29/2010 7:45:41 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: neverdem

Those morons at the Westfield gun club did more damage to our RKBA than the d&mn Brady Bunch. They distributed flyers advertising blasting away with machine guns as “fun” and then handed one to an 8 year old. The RKBA is not about “fun” and machine guns are not recreational equipment, even for adults. If we don’t take our RKBA seriously, we’ll lose it.


3 posted on 01/29/2010 7:47:09 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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“There should be one standard for applying for what is a constitutional right,” Timilty said.

Do you have to submit an application for the constitutional rights of Free Speech, Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Association, Freedom from unreasonable search and seizure, etc. or are those constitutional rights inherent? The notion of somebody "applying for what is a constitutional right" should be deeply offensive to anybody who values liberty.

4 posted on 01/29/2010 7:47:41 AM PST by VRWCmember
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"a person indicted of a crime punishable by up to a year in jail"

Nothing unconsitutional there. /SPIT

5 posted on 01/29/2010 7:48:57 AM PST by piytar (Ammo is hard to find! Bought some lately? Please share where at www.ammo-finder.com)
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To: neverdem

A ban for anyone ever indicted? Not convicted, just indicted?

So, even if the DA charges wrong guy and he’s cleared at trial, he’ll lose his right to own a gun? That’s just wrong.


6 posted on 01/29/2010 8:00:27 AM PST by MediaMole
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To: neverdem

Nice. Now we have Romanians explaining our Second Amendment rights to us.


7 posted on 01/29/2010 8:02:03 AM PST by La Lydia
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No individual under the age of 18 would be allowed to handle a fully automatic firearm, even with a parent’s permission, under legislation overhauling the state’s gun laws that lawmakers considered Wednesday.

No need to wonder why. The kids might find out that it's fun.


8 posted on 01/29/2010 8:12:16 AM PST by Carry_Okie (They were the Slave Party then; they are the Slave Party now.)
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To: SJSAMPLE

How many children have been run over by cars. Lets ban cars.
You can’t hope to legislate against all stupidity unless you have retroactive sterilization of these peoples grandparents. However, in the case of these politicians, I’m willing to start a petition.


9 posted on 01/29/2010 8:15:02 AM PST by Steamburg ( Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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Nice. Now we have Romanians explaining our Second Amendment rights to us.

Gintauas Dumicus is Romanian. I never would have guessed. Thank you.

10 posted on 01/29/2010 8:16:03 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Carry_Okie

OK.
I’ve always loved that picture.
Now for some reality.

A few years ago (2004?), a 13 year old girl was killed at the annual Knob Creek machingun shoot while firing the tri-minigun. Three miniguns, one mount and one trigger. The unit flipped over and killed her.

Sometimes, children do not understand the dangers and therefore cannot consent to the dangers.


11 posted on 01/29/2010 8:20:49 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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Nothing unconsitutional there. /SPIT

Not to mention the "up to a year" part which would be a misdemeanor crime

Once they could justify taking constitutional rights for life from felons after they served their time, now everyone is a target.

12 posted on 01/29/2010 8:21:10 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM where are you?)
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FYI, most states have a law similar to “Illegal Use of a Telephone”, which covers ANY threat made over the phone. Here, it carries a 2 year jail sentence as a misdomenor and in NY, it is a felony.


13 posted on 01/29/2010 8:32:20 AM PST by catman67
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Lauren Hyer, executive director of Stop Handgun Violence, said she is still reviewing the bill, but took issue with one component: She said the licensing authority should stay with police chiefs.

It should be in the hands of the communities she said. They know the people in the communities.

She added that Massachusetts has among the lowest firearm fatality rates in the nation. Our [present] gun laws have worked out. she said.

A quick look into the Department of Justice - FBI records for 2008, table 5 (the most recent that are on line)shows that violent crime for MA per 100,000 persons is at 449.0. That number alone means nothing, but when compared to all of the states with a common border...VT: 135.9, NH: 157.2, RI: 249.4, CT: 297.8, NY: 398.1. How do these people think???


14 posted on 01/29/2010 8:41:23 AM PST by berettaboy
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To: neverdem
Here's the bill:

H2259

This is actually really, really good considering it's MA. It makes it clearly a shall issue state, for residents and non-residents, and gives non-residents a real permit for 6 years at $40 total instead of the current 1-year temp permit at $100/year.

15 posted on 01/29/2010 8:51:12 AM PST by grady ("Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading." - Unknown)
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This is an improvement under the current law. GOAL is much more aggressive about assuring rights. In Massachusetts it really does boil down to the whim of the local police chief. What would concern me is the training requirement. In many cases the training is specified, often to a good friend of the chief of police, that friend unable or unwilling to find better employment.


16 posted on 01/29/2010 8:58:59 AM PST by MSF BU (++)
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It looks like this will nix the training requirement. But, unless I missed something, it looks like it still leaves room for the state police to impose the "in person" meeting in Chelsea for non-resident applicants.

Anybody from MA have any idea how the battle lines are forming over this? Don't want to waste too much time following it if it's DOA.

17 posted on 01/29/2010 9:08:19 AM PST by grady ("Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading." - Unknown)
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Boy, 8, dies after accidentally shooting himself with UZI at Westfield Sportsman's Club machine gun shoot

Apparently he lost control of the weapon and shot himself in the head.

These things aren't toys and there's no reset button when you screw up.

18 posted on 01/29/2010 9:10:42 AM PST by primeval patriot
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Nice. Now we have Romanians explaining our Second Amendment rights to us.

Romania has a flat tax, too. Imagine the possibilities....

19 posted on 01/29/2010 10:19:35 AM PST by thulldud (It HAS happened here!)
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Sometimes, children do not understand the dangers and therefore cannot consent to the dangers.

Children don't understand many dangers. Does that mean we should outlaw them all? How many die on bicycles? How many die walking across streets?

You can't outlaw stupidity. An accident like that could have happened with any number of tools or other pieces of equipment.

That's reality.

20 posted on 01/29/2010 10:49:16 AM PST by Carry_Okie (They were the Slave Party then; they are the Slave Party now.)
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