Free Republic is a fringe right-wing Christian fundamentalist site

12/11/2009 | Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

Free Republic is a fringe right-wing Christian fundamentalist site... or so they say... and they might even be right.

We don't go for any of that godless left-wing big government socialist malarkey. And we do put our faith and trust in God, not government. We are pro-God, pro-Life, pro-Family, pro-Country and pro-Liberty.

We do not believe that government or science knows what's best for us or our children. We will make our own decisions thank you very much.

Every once in a while some group of posters get together and try to bend Free Republic to their will. Now, we tend to be pretty free-wheeling around here and will take a lot of guff and a lot of obnoxious insults from a lot of people, but eventually a breaking point is reached.

For example, when a group of RINO lovers recently banded together to try to force FR to accept an abortionist/gay rights RINO as our presidential candidate, they soon found themselves on the outs.

And a few years ago a group of evolutionists tried to force FR over to their way of thinking and they soon found themselves on the outs.

FR is a pro-God, pro-Creator, pro-Life, pro-Liberty site.

And now we have yet another group of Darwinists trying to have their Darwinist way with us. Well, as I've said before what doesn't kill us will only make us stronger.

Darwin Central has again declared war on FR. They have ping lists and email lists and will try to pull away as many FReepers as they possibly can. So be it. Those who would rather go with Darwin, please go. I sure as hell won't try to stop you.

FR will remain a pro-God, pro-Life, pro-Liberty, pro-Creator conservative site.

We wholeheartedly believe that our unalienable rights are a gift from God our Creator not from man or government. And no man, no government will ever deprive us of same.

Keep your powder dry.

[presently no screen name]

Yeah - that certainly would be nice for some - the big tent theory! ;)

[BillyBoy]

>> Are you saying that as a Catholic, you don’t believe intelligence and design are behind the origin of life on Earth? <<

As a Catholic, my personal belief is that God is behind the origin of all life on eartth.

>> This is, in effect, intelligent design, otherwise known as theistic evolution, that I understand your church to accept. <<

The church accepts theist evolution, it doesn't have an official position on it. While theistic evolution is the same thing on paper as intelligent design, the difference is intelligent design presents itself as a scientific theory. My belief that God is the origin of life is not based on scientific studies. It's my own personal spiritual belief. Theistic evolution is not a theory in the scientific sense, but a PERSONAL view about how the science of evolution relates to religious belief and interpretation.

>> So, I don’t see the logic behind the resistance, from a religious standpoint. I also don’t see the logic behind precluding any recognition, of the possiblity that an outside intelligence played a role in establishing life on Earth, from a scientific point of view. <<

There is no known method on earth to test this hypothesis. It's simply a spiritual belief. As I noted, I have no problem bringing up "intelligent design" in a philosophy class. I object to it being taught in a science class because it's not science, just I would object to calculus being used to try and explain good vs. evil. Catholic schools do not teach theistic evolution as part of their science curriculum. They teach the facts of evolution and the scientific theory of its mechanisms. This is essentially the same biological curriculum taught in public schools.

>> Ruling out plausible theories, as to the origin of life on Earth, strikes me as not scientific, and indicates a bias borne of a priori assumptions. <<

It's not a theory, it's a hypothesis that can't be tested. If were to teach every possible explanation for the origin of the universe in a science class, we'd take months going over hundreds of scenarios of how the universe started and how life began. We don't, we go with the most likely version supported with the most amount of scientific evidence. The current science lesson doesn't supposed the involvement of a creator, not does it rule out the possibility. It is silent on the matter.

[bogusname]

BTT

[restornu]

Oh for the Love and Christmas Spirit offered towards one fellowman.

Those who struggle with understanding of those at one moment profess Jesus Christ as the Savior of Mankind yet are slow keep His Commandment to “Love One Another.”

When I heard the talk on “Beware of Pride” by Ezra Taft Benson I understood it for the Holy Ghost had touched my heart and I witness with anguish at my fellow man that lack the love towards those who were not as blessed to know and have felt the love of the Savior.

It also made me aware that one can profess to Love the Lord yet when it is revealed how easy one can feel contempt towards those who are slow in getting with the program.

Instead took insult towards one who most likely never felt the warmth of Lord therefore could not embrace what came naturally to some to believe.

One can believe in the Lord but do they sincerely embrace the Lord spirit

1. 2 Pet. 3: 9, 15
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

1. 1 Cor. 13: 1-4, 8, 13
1 THOUGH I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
• • •
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
• • •
13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity

O Holy Night http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQWXfHzOKUU

Silent Night http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-2Tnp9whDU

Panis Angelicus http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHKQYFgkcB8

hearing this I feel the soul cries out for peace and love
ceased the bickering, baiting, contending
Until the heart softens and the knee bends it is all for naught

[presently no screen name]

people at the tea parties are from all walks of life.

I'm sure there were liberals at the TP who were there because they had enough. So is FR a place for them? I do believe we already have them.

People discuss, wind up in an argument and then forgive each other later.

As far as forgive later - it's sounds good but very rarely happens when someone has an agenda. When there is a stark difference in beliefs at one table, are you going to referee the food fight - deliberately started to cause disruption.

Forgive someone because I expressed my beliefs that are well grounded in Truth? Never! Bow down to someone pumping up a RINO for my president. Never! Submit to some RINO or a lib playing the part - saying a true conservative has flaws and is not presidential material. Never! Has all this been tried? Over and over and over again.

[presently no screen name]

Love conquers all. And love is speaking The Truth at all times, even if someone doesn't want to hear it. There is a difference between someone not knowing yet, still growing (which we all are) and one that doesn't want to know and deliberately defies The Truth. We are not to cast pearls before swine and to hate evil as much as God does.

Jesus didn't enter one town because He knew of their unbelief. And it certainly wasn't because He didn't love them!!

[restornu]

For some patience is in short supply.

It is not hard to be kind to those that are agreeable.

The challenge is to find something good about those who are different and dwell on that!

[happinesswithoutpeace]

There is Wisdom in your typed words Restu. : )

May the internets rise with you ; )

[Impy]

For the record I'm not religious. I never understood why someone (as millions of Americans do in fact) can't believe in both evolution and God (that God created it like every other natural process)

Or how believing in the theory of evolution somehow leads to a 'denial of God' which somehow leads to the government taking away your rights (because they 'can' if they aren't 'God Given'). The religious left figure and creationist William Jennings Bryan was the first socialist democrat nominee for President. Kings claiming divine right to rule took away people rights. Anything can be used as an excuse by the government. They can try to take away our rights whether there is a god or not and whether they think there is a god or not cause they have a lot of armed men working for them.

Nor do I understand why if you believe evolution exists that you necessary must believe in everything the original theorist Charles Darwin did let alone view him as a Christ-like figure. Like you Bill I believe the Plate tectonics theory as well. This means I must love or worship (or even know who which I don't ;d) first came up with it?

Nor why anyone would lump believing in evolution with the gay agenda or abortion.

[presently no screen name]

my personal belief is that God is behind the origin of all life on eartth.

Behind it? He created it ALL. He is The Creator.

we'd take months going over hundreds of scenarios of how the universe started and how life began.

Hundreds of scenarios? How much junk science is up your sleeve?

but a PERSONAL view about how the science of evolution relates to religious belief and interpretation.

You can teach your personal view but you can't teach what The Creator Himself says?

The current science lesson doesn't supposed the involvement of a creator, not does it rule out the possibility. It is silent on the matter.

But the personal view isn't silent.

we go with the most likely version supported with the most amount of scientific evidence.

Scientific evidence? When is your global warming class starting and can you hold a straight face when talking about scientific evidence?

Science can't prove supernatural, so you discount it because you need something that suits your five senses. God's ways are higher than yours and your five senses. 'Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding' is a command to be obeyed.

1 Samuel 15:22
22 But Samuel replied: "Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the voice of the LORD ? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams.

[presently no screen name]

Thanks. That’s not new to me, I do that all the time but I don’t/won’t dwell on lies and say it’s good.

[NYer]

FR is a pro-God, pro-Creator, pro-Life, pro-Liberty site.

Thank you, Jim, for this forum! It is a beacon of light in a secular world, an oasis in a desert of nihilism. God bless you!

Catholic Ping
Please freepmail me if you want on/off this list

[restornu]

Thanks. That’s not new to me, I do that all the time but I don’t/won’t dwell on lies and say it’s good.

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John 13: 34-35
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Luke 6: 27, 35
27 ¶ But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

[RaceBannon]

I dont have to give up when I already won.

[TooFarGone]

I hope the bus is heading to liberty, smaller government, strong 10th amendment, abolishing direct tax on my labor, maybe even term limits, protecting profit and punishing fraud, the end of the ‘nanny state’, strong borders, strong military, and recognizing that tolerance is a 2-way street-if you don’t respect freedom and our Constitution, you don’t get to play (are you listening all you mr. islamists?), towards an actual free press, towards recognizing the fed for what it is.
I hope the bus is heading towards self-reliance and self-determination. That’s the direction I hope the bus is going.

[Elsie]

I don’t agree with some of the posts/posse here (and from what I’ve seen, there is a posse here that get away with a whole lot but it’s your site and that’s your right to support or not support them).

Just WHO belong to this posse vigilante group, and just WHAT do they get away with?

It's hard to understand such vague allusions.

[SumProVita]

“Thank you, Jim, for this forum! It is a beacon of light in a secular world, an oasis in a desert of nihilism. God bless you!”

I heartily agree!

[Elsie]

I'm a Christian who believes in evolution.

Then either one or both of these subjects must be poorly understood by you.

[metmom]

Is banning people who basically debate on one thread about differences of belief in a religion a good thing?

Debate is one thing. The reason those people got banned is another.

It's not about just differences of belief. It's about mockery and ridicule and name calling.

[metmom]

If were to teach every possible explanation for the origin of the universe in a science class, we'd take months going over hundreds of scenarios of how the universe started and how life began. We don't, we go with the most likely version supported with the most amount of scientific evidence. The current science lesson doesn't supposed the involvement of a creator, not does it rule out the possibility. It is silent on the matter.

In practice that is NOT what's happening in schools. It is NOT remaining silent on the issue of a creator.

You're missing the whole point anyway. The objection isn't to evolution being taught at all. It's to evolution being taught exclusively through the misuse of litigation and the force of big government.

All the arguments about *well, lets just teach science* and *teach about creation in philosophy class* are just a smoke screen. That is NEVER going to happen and the one time it was tried in CA, everyone had a meltdown anyway. And show me a public school that has a philosophy class to begin with.

Offering to creationists an option that doesn't exist in the hopes that they are gullible enough to be happy with it is underhanded.

People want creation and ID to be taught in schools alongside evolution. Poll after poll demonstrates that. Control of the schools belongs in the hands of the local school board. If they decide to teach both, parents who don't want their children to hear about creation can sign an opt out form for their child to miss that class, instead of engaging the ACLU and suing the school into compliance with THEIR wishes.

Or they have the option that is always thrown up in the face of Christians who object to decisions the public schools make. Send their kids to their own God free and creation free private school at their own expense, or homeschool them.

Since when did opting out their child from a class become a non-option anyway? Why sue into compliance?