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Evolutionists retreating from the arena of science
CMI ^ | December 1, 2009 | Dave Woetzel

Posted on 12/03/2009 8:35:52 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

Evolutionists retreating from the arena of science

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Today, the Darwinian scientific consensus persists within almost every large university and governmental institution. But around the middle of the 20th century an interesting new trend emerged and has since become increasingly established. Evolutionary theorists have been forced, step by step, to steadily retreat from the evidence in the field. Some of the evidences mentioned earlier in this article were demonstrated to be frauds and hoaxes. Other discoveries have been a blow to the straightforward expectations and predictions of evolutionists. Increasingly, they have been forced to tack ad hoc mechanisms onto Darwin’s theory to accomodate the evidence. Their retreat to unfalsifiable positions is now evident in every arena where they once triumphed. Let us examine how Darwinian theorists have moved from concrete predictions and scientifically observable supporting evidences to metaphysical positions in several key fields of research...

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To: demshateGod

“I do believe John did see a beast with 7 heads though, as if it were really there. “

Agreed. There would be no purpose and probably less effectiveness in showing John a photo album listing the actual faces of future characters he’d never personally see and never be able to relay to us. Perhaps if they’d had facebook access on Patmos...


181 posted on 12/03/2009 3:39:51 PM PST by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: Natural Law
That spongebob nonsense came from xcamel to me so for knee slappers I don't have to go far. Of course what or who Woetzel is, is of no moment to me.

As the title of the article is evolution retreating from science not science retreating, I wonder if you even read the article.

Maybe you were busy with profanity in the keywords?

182 posted on 12/03/2009 3:40:46 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: demshateGod

I have—many times. Both contain allegory. Genesis is not history.


183 posted on 12/03/2009 3:42:23 PM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: count-your-change
"I've always understood the ten horned beast..."

Yes, horns are used as symbols of power more than once in His word.

184 posted on 12/03/2009 3:43:14 PM PST by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: xcamel

“What I think is not in question here, and frankly none of your business.”

What you think is in question here.

The reason I asked you that last question was to see if you did in fact believe that the Bible is in fact a Truth Statement - and it most certainly is - allegories, parables and all.

Jesus is the Saviour of Mankind - and He loves you - this is true.


185 posted on 12/03/2009 3:45:53 PM PST by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: Behemoth the Cat; xcamel

“...I do not ask how, and I do not create a whole pseudo-science, which twists and spins the current state of knowledge to explain the biochemistry of Christ’s blood after resurrection...”

I’m with you on that for sure.


186 posted on 12/03/2009 3:47:50 PM PST by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Ah yes, so once again your comments are based upon no actual knowledge of the subject being discussed, but just your incorrect assumptions about what has gone on in the past.

The question was asked and answered many times; rather than the question challenging my assumptions; it confirmed my assumption that Creationists are ignorant by their own volition; as the information is out there, and even when provided to them; they do not learn.

187 posted on 12/03/2009 3:48:49 PM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be RE-distributed?)
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To: Natural Law
There is no one so blind as he who refuses to see.
188 posted on 12/03/2009 3:49:50 PM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be RE-distributed?)
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To: count-your-change
"Maybe you were busy with profanity in the keywords?"

Again, you are posting out of ignorance. The word I posted was "bullsh*t". It is not profane by anyone's definition of profane and was highly accurate by everyone's definition. (Note: you can find the word Merriam-Websters, American Heritage, and Cambridge and even FR's spell checker didn't flag it).

189 posted on 12/03/2009 3:50:24 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law
Yipeeee Skippeee! It was your post and you call me ignorant? It was the definition of the mods but if you wish to make your argument to them, post your non flagged non profane dictionary meaning keywords again.

I'll wait. Go ahead.

190 posted on 12/03/2009 4:02:50 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change
" It was the definition of the mods but if you wish to make your argument to them, post your non flagged non profane dictionary meaning keywords again."

The admin moderator and I already discussed this. It is not profane, but I have agreed not to use that word again because it offends those like you who can't handle grown-up language. I have instead begun using "bovinescat" because it is a little gentler. Yipeee-Skipeee indeed!

191 posted on 12/03/2009 4:08:34 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law

Bovinescat! Come on—that’s BS!


192 posted on 12/03/2009 4:15:12 PM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Natural Law
We're all glad you have that sorted out. I can't imagine why you call foul language “grown-up”.
193 posted on 12/03/2009 4:28:24 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: BenKenobi; xcamel; Behemoth the Cat
Behemoth the Cat : "“You must be joking. Evolutionary biology is a key for understanding a host of phenomena, with quite substantial practical significance. E.g. drug resistance.”

BenKenobi: "How does speciation explain ‘drug resistance’?"

"Speciation" does not explain drug resistance.
Evolutionary processes like random mutations and natural selection (or in this example, human activity) do explain drug resistance.

A "species" is an artificial scientific construct -- falling between a breed or race, and a genus -- to help us understand how different biological groups relate to each other.

Typically, scientists define a "new species" as one that has changed so much it can no longer interbreed with its parent populations. Thus even vastly different dogs fall into just one species, while similar seeming horses, zebras and donkeys have multiple species.

For example, the biological classifications for humans are:

Drug resistence in bacteria is not known to have risen to the level of speciation, since genetically mutated bacteria resistant to drugs are assumed capable of interbreeding with original strands.

But the processes which cause drug resistance are the same processes which over long enough times can lead to a new species, genus, family, order, etc.

Examples of speciation witnessed in historical times have been linked to by other posters.

Evidences for past speciations are abundant in both the fossil records and DNA comparisons of similar living species.
To cite just one example, it is said that human and chimp DNA is something like 98% identical.
The fossil record shows a common ancestor around five million years ago.

194 posted on 12/03/2009 5:12:04 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: count-your-change; Buck W.
"We're all glad you have that sorted out. I can't imagine why you call foul language “grown-up”."

I suppose I shouldn't expect a cogent or logical answer from you, but I gotta ask - why is it OK to spew BS, but not to say BS? Makes you go Hmmmmmmm.........

Another question; Would the use of the word chickensh*t be "fowl" language?

195 posted on 12/03/2009 5:12:32 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Buck W.
"Bovinescat! Come on—that’s BS!"

Indeed it is. There is so much of it on GGGs posts you really have to be careful where you step.

196 posted on 12/03/2009 5:22:43 PM PST by Natural Law
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Mommy, he touched me!


197 posted on 12/03/2009 5:24:55 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: GodGunsGuts
Evolutionists won't have far to retreat.

Consider the purported remains of orrorin tugenensis. From a couple of pieces of a leg bone and a few teeth a whole creature of some kind is constructed and conclusions drawn from that construction.
I invite anyone to go and actually see what was found and explore the story of the finding and squirreling away of these remains.

From the Piltdown Man to Ida, Ardi and Lucy, finding “a new and older human ancestor” is the gold ring to be grasped.
But few of the Darwinists here seem to really look too closely at the iron pyrite of these fossils.

198 posted on 12/03/2009 5:37:24 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Behemoth the Cat
" if we want electricity, nuclear energy, antibiotics, cancer cures et caetera, we also have to use our material eyes, eyes and microscopes."

Partly yes, and partly no.

First, nuclear energy, electricity, physics, and mathematics do not in any way challenge our spiritual knowledge, so they are not relevant to the question.

When you get into cancer, and antibiotics, its a very different story. Antibiotics are shortening lives every day, and their use is in defiance of God's word, which tells us the "herbs of the field" and "every green leaf" are provided for our health, and they definitely do a good job. Cancer 'cures' do the same as all the other drugs. Sometimes there is remission during treatment, but in the long run the treatments shorten life, even in those that experience remission. The real cure for cancer is to remove the original cause, which in the preponderance of cases is a spiritual issue. (bitternewss, hatred, unforgiveness, blaming God, or any other form of 'toxic' thought) Some illness is due to use of chemicals without regard for the effect on the body, and some cancers fall into this category, but the main rule still applies: remove the cause.

What you call "mailstream Christianity" bears little resemblance to what is described in God's word. I don't mean to attack any particular denomination; they're all in deep do-do, and we are at the point announced in Revelation where we are told to "come out of her" referring to the "harlot" that organized religion has become.

199 posted on 12/03/2009 5:37:35 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: allmendream
LOL! You mean like creationists patiently explaining to evolutionists why their so-called ‘tree of life’ is a figment of their imagination over and over and over? Or when creationists pointed out that the creator would not have created a genome that is almost entirely “junk” over and over and over and over? And let's not forget the endless number of times that creationists have demonstrated that the discontinuities in the fossil record falsifies Darwin's evo-atheist creation myth over and over and over and over. And don't get me started on how the evos close their eyes and cover their ears when creationists demonstrate that DNA is a complex, specified digital code, and that the only known empirically verified source for such a code is INTELLIGENT DESIGN!!!

But hey, thanks for the laugh :o)

200 posted on 12/03/2009 5:47:18 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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