Posted on 11/26/2009 9:55:25 PM PST by Jim Robinson
Apparently there are still some posters on FR who are fast asleep. Wake up! Dammit! We are in the middle of a conservative rebellion! While you were sleeping we, along with millions of other freedom loving grassroots Americans have participated in hundreds of tea parties all across this great land and fully intend to keep it up until all of America is awake. We are fed up and mad as hell! We grassroots Americans are delivering a message to the ruling class: NO MORE!!
No more big government! No more high taxes! No more government bailouts! No more government takeovers! No government healthcare! No more corruption! No more global baloneyism!!
We're sick and tired of liberals and RINOs running roughshod over our God given Liberty!
We want our country back! We want our freedom back! We want it all back!!
No more socialism!!
Cut the taxes! Cut the spending! Cut the government!
Restore the constitutional limits on government! Restore our freedom!!
And not only no, but HELL NO to liberals and RINOS!!
Free Republic will not support RINOS!! Rudy McRomney, et al, can go straight to hell!!
The strategy is we win, they lose.
Any questions?
Quit stammering and go look it up.
Mojitojoe did.
Did you or did you not say a Republican is ALWAYS better than a Democrat?
I'll tell you how... Read this post. If the choice with Snowe and Collins is a 50% ACU rating versus a Leahy or Sanders or Kerry with a 5% ACU rating, I'll take Snowe and Collins every time.
NY23 was an aberration, in that there wasn't a primary. If there was, Collins would have won the primary and the results of the election would be different. Expect to see that happen in 2010.
You take the wins you can get, and you keep pushing to increase your margins. The way to replace Snowe and Collins is to recruit better, more conservative candidates to challenge them in the primaries, and hopefully win the primaries and become the new Senator.
But until that happens, I'd take Snowe and Collins every time over a Leahy or Kerry or Sanders. Win when you can, and work for bigger margins of victory in the future. NEVER turn down a win.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2395256/posts?page=628#628
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2395256/posts?page=953#953
Here’s yer strawmen.
FR is private property, what part of that is so hard to understand Cedric?
Conservatives understand the concept.
You obviously do not.
Today’s RINOs don’t want to be “needed” to elect Conservatives like Ronald Reagan. They want and expect to be elected themselves. It’s proven over and over that it’s THEY who think they have divine right to rule the party, to be the decision-makers, and to put conservatives in their place. If the dynamics of NY23 didn’t prove something to you, then you can’t be reached. It’s RINOS that paved the way for Barack Obama. And I am not saying that there are “no differences” between John McCain and Obama. I’m just stating facts when I say that whatever differences there ARE, are expected to be expressed clearly enough as they’re conveyed to the electorate, to finally be enough to WIN. Not “COMPETE” in the self-defeated words of Michael Steele, but to WIN.
In the last election Sarah Palin was the only one who did that, and Barack Obama won. Sarah couldn’t have done it without John’s help, and it turned out it was his race to lose, and lose it he did.
At the risk of repeating myself on this gigantic thread it is very difficult to separate believing in Conservative principles and debating the merits of any particular partisan candidate. The principles are pure and the human beings are not. The human beings can *only* be judged in the context of a specific election and the goals of the Conservative movement.
It is impossible, IMO, to construct some generic Ideal Candidate and win the election by using that model to eliminate voting for the actual humans in the real race. The person you vote for has to be chosen based on the overall strategy and tactics needed to win the war, even at risk of losing individual battles.
Of course since this is a recipe for winning then both sides of the argument can use the same strategy and the partisan arguments go around and around and around....
This is actually an argument for keeping the site more Conservative specific since it would reduce the pointless partisan arguments themselves. If we agree in general on Conservative principles then we can spend more time on strategy and tactics and less on calling each other names.
Does that mean we try to defeat them in primaries but if they win a primary we don't vote for them in a general election or is it still ok to vote for them in a general election?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2395256/posts?page=1073#1073
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2395256/posts?page=971#971
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2395256/posts?page=970#970
Do some reading, straight from the top man himself.
Two of those were to you directly by the way.
And you ignored them.
Why do you, and others on this thread, insist on smacking us in the face with that red herring? Reagan was a man. He was not perfect, but when he made a mistake, like he did with amnesty, he admitted his mistake. You cannot even begin to compare Reagan with anything we are facing now, and asking us if we would vote for him now suggests that the landscape of politics is the same now as it was then. It isn’t. We are in far greater danger from madmen now than we ever were under Reagan.
Our enemies reside in the white tent now. They control all government functions from top to bottom. They have infiltrated the republican party and we need them to be GONE.
That is the goal. We will fight this battle as hard as we can, and getting rid of the trash and the party-firsters is only the beginning.
Neither of those is the comment to which you were referring.
Conservatives are, above all, honest.
Maybe you can help out...
What are the fundamental policies of conservatism? What should a Republican be? Not just generalities, how about some specifics? I’ve yet to see in this thread where someone will state that “a conservative should believe this, a conservative should oppose that”.
I mean, if you want to eliminate RINOs, then you need to define what makes a RINO a RINO, right?
I am beginning to think our voice is in the minority. Dimocrats have to love this.
I’m referrig to your comment that FR is totalitarian.
Both of those were the comment I was referring to.
Another strawman up in flames.
Hell, no and quit being ridiculous.
You failed to answer if you would vote for Reagan?
So if Romney said he now opposes Government run health care, he’d be OK with you?
If McCain said he now opposes amnesty, he’d be OK with you?
And NO ONE in this thread has actually defined what makes a person a “conservative”; it’s pretty hard to discuss conservatism and decide who is a RINO and who isn’t when you don’t even identify the characteristics of a conservative!
Remember, this is a very conservative web site.
The Republican voting population, at large, is not nearly as conservative. And, frankly, that's what makes folks around here so frustrated.
“You failed to answer if you would vote for Reagan?”
You failed to answer if YOU would vote for Jeffords. Or Specter for that matter.
Only here on FR, and it comes and goes in waves. When some in this thread are knocking Sarah Palin because she’s not conservative enough, and others are holding her up as the ideal conservative candidate, you know you’re dealing with frustration and emotion, not logic and reason.
It’s venting over the travesty sitting in the White House; I just wish they’d focus their anger at that error, not at trying to self-flagellate as we appear to be doing...
Here is the deal,
In the general election, if a RINO is running against a Liberal Democrat, of course you vote Democrat.
This way the Liieral Democrats are also the majority on committees and the chairman which means they call the shots.
You don’t want to give up that chance, look how the Democrats took off with Health care and some of the other
goodies the Republicans were stupid not to vote for.
Just vote yes for Democrats and no for RINOS and shut up.
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