Posted on 11/16/2009 6:44:33 AM PST by MNJohnnie
Doug Hoffman just told Glenn Beck they are 2000 votes behind in NY 23with 10,000 absentee votes left to count.
This is NOT over.
OK, that’s wierd; only the last line of my response gpt posted.
What I was saying was:
I had no intention of starting a fight. I was only razzing you, with a little silliness. O, and your shoe is untied.
The idiots who chose Scuzzy are the ones to blame and also the ones that chose the ones who chose Scuzzy. In other words, look at the grassroots in the district. They are the ones responsible.
The agreement to concede was based on the final vote, but the MSM had people believing it was over, so the Conservative gave his concession speach early in good faith. Pelosi was asked not to give the oath to her candidate until after the actual vote was counted, but she did anyway.
Remember, Al Gore conceded, but changed his mind later.
I heard last week that he was within 3000 with 5,000 left to count. Unless Hoffman takes 75% of the absentee ballots, he cannot win.
Right. He need to fill out a NY FORM 420, "Notification of Official Unconcession" and file it with his County Concession Clerk.
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If the recount shows a win for Hoffman, they will simply begin recount #2.
When it’s all over, Hoffman won’t be the winner.
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Again, not to rain on this parade but that is exactly what happened in the 2004 WA gubenatorial race - Gregoire/Rossi. The RATs stole it from Rossi with shady ACORN “votes” in King County. Sickening! Incredible!
When will we finally rise up against this great thievery of our freedom?
If we ever get control of this country again, we’ll need to get true election reforms into place.
Thanks for that. Lesson learned never concede until all the votes are in.
Newt can go to hell.
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But, but, but...Newt’s got a Contract with America he’s writing with Michael Steele he wants you to look over...Contract with America II, Electric Bugaloo...
LOL.
Yes, I read over 10,000 were sent out. Under 6,000 had been received as of late last week. I don’t recall the exact figure. How would anyone know what that figure would be? They would be arriving at little post offices all over the district. It must be an estimate. A vote postmarked Nov. 2 and received by today would count. I was surprised to hear Hoffman say “10,000 left to count.” Also, how could he be now 2000 votes behind if no counting of absentee ballots has started yet?
A concession speech carries no weight. The votes speak.
Fred Grandy was a fine Congressman and an even better ship’s purser, but he’s wrong on this one. By seating Owens, the House judged Owens to have won the election, and thus he was a legal member of the House when he voted on Obamacare. So while the House can vote to exclude a member if it rules later on that he did not win his election, it would not invalidate any votes taken. Back in the 19th century it was fairly common for election challenges to take well over a year and for congressmen to be unseated after taking dozens of votes on measures that had already become law when they were unseated.
The good news on Obamacare is that there is a 0% chance that the Senate will approve a bill that is identical to the House bill that passed, so the House would have to vote again before a bill is sent to the president. If Hoffman is shown to have won the election and the House excludes Owens and seats Hoffman, Hoffman would get to vote on final passage.
Also keep in mind that while Cao was certainly a traitor with his vote, his vote gave the RATs 220 in favor of Obamacare, so the bill would have passed (with 218) even had Cao voted no and Owens not voted. Cao voted that way thinking that it didn’t matter for final passage and that it would help him in his 75% Democrat, black-majority district, but in fact he can’t get reelected in that district no matter how he votes (he only won because the Democrat nominee was an indicted (now convicted) crook and it was a low-turnout run-off necessitated by a hurricane that forced the cancelation of the primary). Our job is to convince Cao to vote the right way when the bill gets back to the House so as to keep alive his political future (he could always run statewide).
Lesson learned never concede until all the votes are in.
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Indeed. Check this out:
http://doughoffmanforcongress.com/home.html
Owens in Office Illegally?
Northern New York News Written by Nathan Barker
Candidate sworn-in even though election was contested
GOUVERNEUR, NY - The New York State Board of Elections was unable to present a “clear decision” to the House of Representatives in the NY-23 Congressional Special Election. John Conklin, Communications Director for the Board of Elections, said that the board could not even have declared an unofficial winner in the race had Doug Hoffman not conceded on Election Night.
The letter that was sent to the Clerk of the House of Representatives by the Board of Elections and entered into House record on Nov. 6th shows that only 3,026 votes separated the candidates according to the unofficial results submitted. Rep. Charles B. Rangel, as the most senior member of New York’s Congressional Delegation, put forth Bill Owens for swearing-in to the 111th Congress. In doing so, he indicated that “His Certificate of Election has not arrived, but there is no contest, and no question has been raised with regard to his election.”
This statement, however, was not entirely true. Representatives for Bill Owens’ campaign had contested the election results on November 2nd, 2009 and ordered the vote impounded according to officials.
The move, regardless of Owens’ standing with respect to the results, was a clear indicator to the Board of Elections that the election result was contested. The votes were impounded and the official result delayed until sometime in mid-December when the final counts will be certified.
The Clerk of the House of Representatives requested results of the election from the NYS Board of Elections. The NY Board of Elections could not release those results while the vote was impounded but after Mr. Hoffman’s concession of the election, based on erroneous information Hoffman had received with regard to the vote count, the Owens’ Campaign released their impound order. This put the Board of Elections in a position where they could report the vote count to the Clerk of the House, although they emphasized that the results were unofficial and that they could not certify the result.
Without a clear winner in the election and with considerably more outstanding absentee ballots than the spread between the candidates, the NY Board could not and did not certify the result of the election. The House, however, moved forward with the induction of its newest member regardless. They did so, presumably on the order of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi who had declared on the previous day that “Tuesday night, we won two more votes for health care.” with apparent disregard for the fact that the election is not over yet.
The New York State Board of Elections was unable to prevent this action, indicating that the House of Representatives is the sole arbiter of who may join their ranks. The question remains though, did the House act too soon?
Because at the time everything indicated that he had lost. It was not until days later when the State of NY discovered a screw up in the vote tally in one location that way way hard FOR Hoffman that they got back into a position to possibly win. Hoffman, in good faith, conceded based on the facts then known. Those facts have now changed.
Without a clear winner in the election and with considerably more outstanding absentee ballots than the spread between the candidates, the NY Board could not and did not certify the result of the election. The House, however, moved forward with the induction of its newest member regardless. They did so, presumably on the order of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi who had declared on the previous day that “Tuesday night, we won two more votes for health care.” with apparent disregard for the fact that the election is not over yet.
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“WITH APPARENT DISREGARD FOR THE FACT THAT THE ELECTION IS NOT OVER YET.”
Any surprises?
Fine, then Hoffman wins in 2010 due to the rage of the NY 23 voters over their will being thwarted.
Hoffman, in good faith, conceded based on the facts then known. Those facts have now changed.
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The fact remains, if Hoffman had not conceded, Owens may not have been seated. This is a hard lesson learned.
I think you are saying is what the House “thought” and their “judgement” - supersedes NYS election law regarding who is certified as winner?
I mean look at Al Gore.
Could we have five minutes of optimism?
Please?
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