Posted on 11/16/2009 6:44:33 AM PST by MNJohnnie
Doug Hoffman just told Glenn Beck they are 2000 votes behind in NY 23with 10,000 absentee votes left to count.
This is NOT over.
We have a ‘contract with America’ it is called the Constitution.
The GOP just needs to run on defending IT.
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Hear, hear! What a great idea.
Actually, they have passed something. They did it around midnight on a weekend, with virtually NO bipartisan support and against the will of most Americans.
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I was talking about only one major bill that’s passed both Houses. The idiotic House ‘death’ bill will not look nearly the same if it goes back for a reconciliation vote - that is if anything passes out of the Senate.
That doesn’t mean we can quit fighting.
Bruce: Better strategy, challenge the RINOs tooth and nail
Xena: Challenge? How about a threat or two?
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Xena, you don’t think the pubbies are threatened with what’s going on? They should be. And if they’re not, that’s their perception problem and won’t affect our outcome. Not if we keep our eye on the ball.
Serious correction. Every party since the Federealists and the Anti-Federalists have been “third parties.” The duopoly of lame Republicans against lame Democrats is only in the last century. See the Harvard Political Review cover story for the Fall, 1980, on third parties. (I wrote it, so it is accurate.}
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I will look up your article.
If you are looking at the entire flow of US history, then of course major parties have been replaced or merged into or renamed as other major parties - especially in our first 100 years of national history - and I guess you could call that a successful 3rd party. So perhaps we’re quibbling over semantics (vs. ‘serious correction’s)
But what if you are looking at election cycles since say 1864 - for say the past 150 years.
Would you say that 3rd parties have had much/any success since then? Why not and why should we trust a 3rd party initiative now to be any different?
Do we have 25 years to test such a theory?
They won by 2 so it won’t change anything. They will still have won.
Al Gore lost the 200 election because he failed to carry his home state of Tennessee!
If he had won TN, he would have been president.
Walter Mondale won Minnesota (and DC) but lost every other state to Reagan.
Candidates ALWAYS win their home state - unless they are lying scumbags like Al Gore, JR.
Oh, I don’t intend to quit fighting. But their plan is as I posted. To water the bill down to “likeable status” in order to get it passed in the Senate, and even Lieberman will sign onto it then. Next, they reconcile the bill with the House version and voila... it’s the same Pelosi crap bill again, maybe even worse (if that’s possible). At that point they only need 51 votes to get it DONE. If I am incorrect, please feel free to correct me, since this is what I have heard and read elsewhere. I’d love to be wrong on this.
Never give up, never give in. As long as there’s breath left in the body.
There are two ways that parties succeed. The obvious way is to elect their members to office. The less obvious way is to push their polities into the platforms of other, major parties.
Also, third parties have a different effect at the state level, sometimes. The Progressive Party took the governorships and state legislatures around the turn of the last century, and through the code they passed in California had a national impact on state laws. Also, contrary to popular belief, Teddy Roosevelt ran on the Progressive Party ballot in 1912 in 47 of the 48 states. There never was a legally-established Bull Moose Party.
In my article in the American Bar Association Journal in August, 1977, "The Bloodless Revolution of 1976," I predicted a serious independent candidacy for President. I did not think it would come as early as 1980 in the form of John Anderson. Eventually, someone other than a Repub-licrat will be elected President. I view that as positive. But it won't happen in 2012.
John / Billybob
The same is true in my District in Western Carolina. In the event of a sudden vacancy in the 11th District, the fifteen county chairmen would choose the respective Republican and Democrat nominees to run.
John / Billybob
You're probably right. NY is going to lose at least one House seat after the census, so NY-23 will likely be carved up during redistricting.
Yep, thanks to both the Census and ACORN.
re:#113...I believe the Hoffman would have standing to file Quo Warannto wouldn’t he?
Next, they reconcile the bill with the House version and voila... it’s the same Pelosi crap bill again, maybe even worse (if that’s possible). At that point they only need 51 votes to get it DONE.
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I don’t think you’re wrong. If they use the nuclear option (the 51 votes which is supposed to be used only for appropriations bills if I understand correctly), then we need to push that whole process as close to 11/2010 as possible - because they will GET SLAUGHTERED for pursuing such obfuscation and deception.
SLAUGHTERED.
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> "Why aren’t you and Frantzie going after, blaming, > targeting the NRCC for having picked that liberal RINO?" Because the Leadership at the RNC is out of touch with its Conservative Base. The RNC (and NRCC) is WAY too willing to Compromise, while being hesitant to DEMAND standards that the Base desires in its candidates.
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So for NOW, at THIS moment, I have to ask: WHAT is more important to the RNC?
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There are two ways that parties succeed. The obvious way is to elect their members to office. The less obvious way is to push their polities into the platforms of other, major parties.
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From the standpoint of electoral success, since 1912 and primarily throughout US history, 3rd parties as revolts against the primary (two) political groupings, have done abysmally - which was my initial point.
It’s certainly true that the existing political parties have at times co-opted the agendas of other minor or 3rd parties, in attempts to become a larger tent, and in the case of socialist ideas, at their and the nation’s peril.
Yep, thanks to both the Census and ACORN.
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And falling population in NY, correct?
Newt and Dede helped get ObamaCare passed. Go to h*ll both of you. I have more respect for Arlen Specter than Newt.
Would Doug have standing in Quo Warranto? The Chrysler dealers and GM bondholders probably would.
Would Doug have standing in Quo Warranto? The Chrysler dealers and GM bondholders probably would.
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