Made in His Image: Immune Systems, The Body's Security Force

ACTS & FACTS ^ | November 2009 | Randy J. Guliuzza, P.E., M.D.

[GodGunsGuts]

Good neighborhoods provide families a lot of protection, but even the best of communities remain vulnerable to the threat of criminals invading their homes. Our human bodies are also vulnerable to foreign invaders such as bacteria, viruses, fungi, and parasites. But when these infection-causing microbes break in where they don't belong, they face a serious defense force, eventually to be caught and destroyed by a highly trained, cell-sized army equipped with a sophisticated array of weaponry. That security force is called the human immune system. Designed with amazingly dynamic communication networks that pass information back and forth between hundreds of millions of cells, the human immune system strategically fights off microscopic invaders and remembers them each time they attack the body...

[ColdWater]

When do you graduate?

[Behemoth the Cat]

"And so began our war against the germs that plague us. But does this cure us?"

Just compare the deaths 100 years ago caused by pneumonia, TB, leprosis, childbirth infections to the death ratios after the introduction of antimicrobial drugs, and you will know the answer. Sure, there are opposing views, that, for example, AIDS is not caused by HIV, and one can cure it by raping a virgin. Want to subscribe to such quackery?

[metmom]

It’s more than ironic and hypocritical that you should be making an issue of interpretation of Scripture and being picky about reading into it things that aren’t there when evos are the biggest offenders in that area.

Nowhere in the Bible does it mention anything like evolution as to how life arose on this earth and yet evos are adamant that God used evolution not only with no suggestion that it was so, but in clear contradiction of how God actually said He did it in Genesis 2:7,19.

Genesis 2:7 ...then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.

Genesis 2:19 Now out of the ground the LORD God had formed every beast of the field and every bird of the heavens and brought them to the man to see what he would call them.

[count-your-change]

I ignored nothing.
Mosquitoes too can be considered opportunistic if there are people who repel them or animals that have an immunity to malaria, yes animals suffer from malaria too. In fact there are four different organisms that cause malaria, They are the Plasmodium falciparum (which is the most fatal), P. vivax, P. malariae, and P. ovale.

So whatever you mean by TUNED, it is still the inability of the immune system to respond quickly enough and with a strong enough response that allows malaria to progress in the body.

And in so far as transmission of disease being facilitated mosquitoes can also display immunity to malaria carrying:

“Science News Share Blog Cite Print Email BookmarkMalaria Immunity Trigger Found For Multiple Mosquito Species
ScienceDaily (Mar. 16, 2009)”

So perhaps it is failure/degradation/corruption of the immune systems of many creatures that permit the spread of malaria, etc. not “tuning”.

[ColdWater]

It’s more than ironic and hypocritical that you should be making an issue of interpretation of Scripture and being picky about reading into it things that aren’t there when evos are the biggest offenders in that area.

Whatever. Thanks for finally admitting that GGG was wrong.

[ColdWater]

Genesis 2:19 Now out of the ground the LORD God had formed every beast of the field and every bird of the heavens and brought them to the man to see what he would call them.

God formed the animals only after seeing Adam's loneliness? I thought God formed the animals first?

[Behemoth the Cat]

Mosquitoes cannot be considered opportunistic, because they (I am referring to certain species) DEPEND on blood (females, to lay eggs). No blood, no eggs, no small mosquitoes. They cannot substitute blood with e.g. cabbage. Ditto ticks, fleas. So, did God make them this way?

As for “tuned”, it means that there are very SPECIFIC mechanisms relating pathogens with their hosts. For example, viral envelope proteins are COMPATIBLE with proteins on the surface of human cells. By “compatible” I mean compatibility of shape and the distribution of charges or hydrophobic regions. What made them compatible, or who? God, “according to their kind”? “Corruption”? Or evolution?

[ColdWater]

So perhaps it is failure/degradation/corruption of the immune systems of many creatures that permit the spread of malaria, etc. not “tuning”.

How did the malaria parasites survive before degradation of the human immune system?

[ColdWater]

but in clear contradiction of how God actually said He did it in Genesis 2:7,19.

You miss the basic concept that I do not worship a book.

[Scythian]

I graduated the day I wrote this HERE and was near death, literally, until I changed my thinking. I was full of pathogens that antibiotics couldn't touch, so I fixed my terrain. I don't care whether you beleive me or not, I was a walking dead man, now, I'm in great physical shape.

[ColdWater]

Ok. You admitted that exercise, sunshine and correcting a deficient diet make you feel better. Gee, who’d athunkit!

[YHAOS]

"Care to answer the questions that you conveniently ignored."

Do not feed the troll . . . unless, of course, you want to tweak the whiskers on his little chinny chin chin, or give full play to his habit of embarrassing himself . . . all for the benefit of the lurkers.

[count-your-change]

But if mosquitoes can or did feed on things in additon to or besides blood for the protein to lay eggs or had immunity to malaria then the malaria/mosquito/human chain doesn't work and the mosquitoes becomes just an opportunistic blood sucker.

Ditto ticks/fleas.

Did God make them that way? Since we don't know that were made that way, that's a question without an answer available to us.

[count-your-change]

“Do not feed the troll “

I find that works best.

[ColdWater]

Do not feed the troll . . . unless, of course, you want to tweak the whiskers on his little chinny chin chin, or give full play to his habit of embarrassing himself . . . all for the benefit of the lurkers.

Me embarrassed? Hardly. It was metmom that had to retract her support of GGG and admit she and GGG were wrong.

[ColdWater]

Did God make them that way? Since we don't know that were made that way, that's a question without an answer available to us.

Maybe they evolved.

[Behemoth the Cat]

There is no “if”. Certain species of mosquitoes are totally dependent on parasitism for their reproduction, and they cannot function as merely opportunistic parasites. Ditto fleas and ticks.

[ColdWater]

Did God make them that way? Since we don't know that were made that way, that's a question without an answer available to us.

If God didn't do it, that only leaves the Intelligent Designer.

[count-your-change]

What is or appears to be the case now need not always been the case so “if” is quite correct. Unless everything that can be known, past and present, IS known. Of course seeing that not all mosquitoes are blood suckers might be a clue that the necessity of blood for egg laying might not have always been so.

Therefore IF is quite correct.

[ColdWater]

Of course seeing that not all mosquitoes are blood suckers might be a clue that the necessity of blood for egg laying might not have always been so.

Which came first. The sucking of blood or the blood sucking apparatus?