Posted on 11/07/2009 9:18:01 PM PST by truthandlife
Listening to the debate on the floor today, it was clear that Democrats considered it a moral and ideological obligation to pass this bill—consequences be damned. The leadership is congratulating itself now—Pelosi is already the greatest speaker of all time apparently—but there's a tough rough ahead in the Senate. Pelosi could lose 39 votes. Reid can't lose any. Passage in the House definitely creates more pressure on Reid to get it done, but the slender margin—despite the size of the Democratic majority in the House and all the arm-twisting and deal-making (what did Cao get?)—has to make Senate moderates even more nervous. There's a long string yet to be played out here, and it's still likely to stretch into next year, by which time Pelosi’s historic accomplishment of Nov. 7 may look foolish.
You’re forgetting that the Constitution is self-subservient to treaties. The Senate can kill America under the Constitution and the military would be oathbreakers to stop it.
On the bright side, I will probably lose my job, but with free health care and bags of Obama stashcash, I would have lots of free time to lobby Congress!
And we already have free health care.
“Too many people out there seem to believe that abortion=freedom”
How else would the democrats have maintained a woman’s attention for 36 years? Let them believe that the conservatives want to take their “right to choose” away. They have dangled that carrot all these years and even last night, it still became the bait.
I’ve been to the sites I mentioned...Most have no mention whatsoever about the health care bill, but a (very) few are outraged over the Stupak amendment.
Maybe, but it's no coincidence that this pile of crap was passed late on a Saturday night when few were paying attention. Now they have two days to polish their spin. Keep the calls and letters pouring in just so these socialists know that we'll remember in November.
Actually...
it was hear ye, hear ye.
not hear him hear him.
Thanks! I think I finally had it last night with what I was seeing. Maybe I have a different perspective living in Oklahoma but I remember all the people that were saying to stay home and don’t vote because of McCain. Staying home because you don’t like a candidate is so short sighted that it defies belief.
Something else I noticed is that there is a certain group that trash all Republicans even when they are doing the right thing. Blaming Boehner for one vote of a GOP from a very liberal district was ludicrous.
It was one of those I am not going to take it any more moments. You win at the ballot box and to do that you have to have fair elections. Cristie in NJ made sure there was going to be little vote fraud by dispatching 700 lawyers around the state to key precincts and county court houses.
Had to laught at around 6:00 when Corzine announced the union halls were going out to vote which usually meant vans of people going from precinct to precinct to vote multiple times but they never materialized. I would love to know if they drove by the precincts and kept on going once they realized they would be challenged.
Christie, the prosecutor, showed us the way to win elections and cut down the voter fraud a lot. Also think it helped tremendously with those two young people who outed ACORN. When the Dems only have 3,000 absentee ballots that signatures don’t match, that is a record. This time they actually compared signatures which speaks a lot about what NJ GOP has been doing. They kept an eye on everything.
I like to look at the election of 2010 as the day we send a whole group of House Democrats along with some Senate Democrats to the back of the Unemployment line. Believe the Senate will take longer to win back but we can make a dent in 2010 and in 2012 take it back.
Refuse to let one House vote make me throw in the towel — IMHO Bush’s ‘You are with us or against us’ starts today.
If any lesson can be taken away from this it's the need for congressional term limits. The Pelosis the Franks and the Rangels aint going anywhere. They basically run unopposed in their districts and the bottom line is as long as they bring home the pork to their districts they have jobs for life. With each census districts are redrawn using computer models to insure the incumbent party gets in every time. This is why Soetoro wanted ACORN in charge of the census.
So what can be done? First vote out the incumbents. Even if you live in a solid socialist district vote against them... Let them know that not everyone buys their socialist bilge. Second become active in the primaries, even if its simply attending rallies. Let these people running know that we want term limits. Really the only chance we have of getting any new ideas in the house is with a large freshman class. Once they're in there beyond 2 or 3 terms they become part of the problem. Finally, if NY-23 taught us anything it's that 3rd partys don't work. We'll have to work within the party system for the foreseeable future. It'll be a long hard slog, but if we keep up what we've been doing in the past year it'll happen. </soapbox>
Really, who told you that?
These people no longer represent America - they represent a narrow band of left-wing kooks. This bill passed not because it was thought through or because Congress had America’s best interest at heart, but because Pelosi & Co. needed to satisfy a bunch of fringe leftist wackos who now form the base of the democratic party and was owed this because of their support in getting Pelosi & Hussein elected.
America, you just got the shaft.
I hope you're right, FRiend, but I'm filled with doubts. I hope Lieberman sticks to his guns on this, but he's getting a lot of heat from libs in CT and elsewhere on his stance against any kind of public option in a Senate health care bill.
doesn’t take effect till 2013 so a GOP pres and congress could repeal it...lower than 50-50 odds though I agree
Sorry. Pet peeve.
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Thank you for the correction! It was late, I was pissed at the passing of the bill, & my fingers were moving faster than my mind!
I appreciate the correction - thanks!
Sorry. Pet peeve.
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Thank you for the correction! It was late, I was pissed at the passing of the bill, & my fingers were moving faster than my mind!
I appreciate the correction - thanks!
I dunno. I hope so, but am not real confident about this. Our Senate Republicans have always been a lot more liberal than their House counterparts. Remember when the House passed HR4437, a great bill that would’ve eliminated illegal immigration? And the Senate’s answer was an amnesty bill. I don’t trust them RINOs.
What do you propose as charges?
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Well lets see, how about we start with a proper vetting process that would have disqualified him from the start. Next, how about his radical side kicks he appointing to do his dirty work, which would also not qualify to be in our WH. Then lets talk about him giving away our sovereignty little by little as he is bringing this country to its knees. Lets not even get started on the deathcare bill that will fine people if they don’t pay for it. All in all, the Constitution is being side stepped...& stomped on, for that matter. Lets not forget the corrupt ties to Acorn & SEIU with the fed dollars & the voter fraud, etc.
....if you need more, let me know.
/sarc off
Those are charges?
Do you have a time machine?
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