Posted on 11/05/2009 12:18:55 PM PST by DCBryan1
Edited on 11/05/2009 2:37:55 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Twelve people have been killed and 31 wounded in a shooting spree at a Texas military base by what officials believe was possibly carried out by an Army officer.
The suspected gunman was identified by ABC News as Major Malik Nadal Hasan.
The shooter was killed and two other suspects, who are also soldiers, have been apprehended, Lt. Gen. Robert W. Cone said.
The gunman used two handguns, Cone said. He wasn't sure if the shooter reloaded the weapons during the attack.
http://www.wqow.com/Global/story.asp?S=11464101
“Fort Hood stories of Wisconsin natives”
Posted: Nov 07, 2009 5:48 PM
Fort Hood Stories
Ford Hood (WQOW) -
SNIPPET: “But, Army Reserve Specialist Grant Moxon was shot in the leg, during the shootings that left 13 dead and 38 injured. Moxon’s father says his son was sitting in front of a processing room when he saw the shooter. He says his son played dead after getting shot and then escaped to another building.”
SNIPPET: “Another Wisconsin native was also injured. Amber Bahr of Random Lake was shot in the back during the incident. She was helping a fellow soldier with his injury, not even knowing she had been hit.
Two Wisconsin soldiers were killed: Amy Krueger from Kiel and Russell Seager from Racine. Amy had just arrived at Fort Hood on Tuesday. She was a mental health specialist getting ready for a second tour of duty in Afghanistan. She was 29. Russell was a psychiatrist who joined the Army a few years ago. He was 51.”
www.khaleejtimes.com/displayarticle.asp?xfile=data/opinion/2009/November/opinion_November42.xml§ion=opinion&col=
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2381393/posts
“Testing Times for Muslims and Americans”
Khaleej Times ^ | 8 November 2009 | Dr Muqtedar Khan
Posted on November 8, 2009 1:33:51 AM PST by Former Military Chick
SNIPPET: “This tragic episode presents serious dilemmas and challenges for both — Muslim community organisations as well as for law enforcement and counter terrorism agencies. Muslim organisations do not know how to explain this and the law enforcement agencies will be puzzling over how to respond to it.”
http://www.defenselink.mil//news/newsarticle.aspx?id=56585
“Soldiers, Families Gather for Twilight Vigil”
American Forces Press Service
FORT HOOD, Texas, Nov. 7, 2009 –
Blog:
“Why do we have to read British papers to get Ft. Hood jihadist news?!”
By Michelle Malkin • November 8, 2009 01:38 AM
Because the American newspapers are busy trying to whip up sympathy for the shooter, instead of telling the truth.
The sleeper Hasan was preparing for this for a long time.
My guess is he got tired of waiting for the call to all-out jihad, so he jumped the gun and acted on his own. Like the Egyptian pilot who took down a whole planeload of infidels, or like Richard Reid the Shoebomber who tried to do the same.
Now the Obamanistas are in panic mode, thus rushing their puppet off to Camp David, while plotting what to do when a lone jihadist tips off everyone to The Plan.
...and political correctness...and fear.
First, it’s political correctness.
Talking while not really discussing a subject under the guise of tolerance
is part of political correctness — which is a culture killer.
Next it’s fear.
Fear. I understand fear personally; as a lot of people have. What one does with their fear is very telling.
One can use their fear to spring into action.
One can set aside their fear long enough to form a plan of action — and then go do it.
Or, as what’s happening today; one can cower under their fear like a deer in the headlights or a like a little child who closes his eyes and hopes the bad things go away.
“...preparing for this for a long time.”
OPINION:
The word pictures of this puzzle seem to be pointing to some preparation. How long that preparation time actually was still is an unknown.
Thanks to a special emailer for pointing to this link:
http://frontpagemag.com/2009/11/06/jihad-at-fort-hood-by-robert-spencer/
“Jihad at Fort Hood”
by Robert Spencer
Posted by Robert Spencer on Nov 6th, 2009 and filed under FrontPage.
SNIPPET: “Yet there was, and what’s more, Major Hasan’s motive was perfectly clear — but it was one that the forces of political correctness and the Islamic advocacy groups in the United States have been working for years to obscure. So it is that now that another major jihad terror attack has taken place on American soil, authorities and the mainstream media are at a loss to explain why it happened – and the abundant evidence that it was a jihad attack is ignored.
Nidal Malik Hasan was born in Virginia but didn’t think of himself as an American: on a form he filled out at the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring, Maryland, he gave his nationality not as “American” but as “Palestinian.” A mosque official found that curious, saying: “I don’t know why he listed Palestinian. He was not born in Palestine.””
Thanks to freeper Grampa Dave for pointing to this thread and article:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2381556/posts
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“Fort Hood gunman had told US military colleagues that infidels should have their throats cut”
SNIPPET: “Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the gunman who killed 13 at America’s Fort Hood military base, once gave a lecture to other doctors in which he said non-believers should be beheaded and have boiling oil poured down their throats.”
By Nick Allen in Fort Hood
Published: 5:00PM GMT 08 Nov 2009
SNIPPET: “He also told colleagues at America’s top military hospital that non-Muslims were infidels condemned to hell who should be set on fire. The outburst came during an hour-long talk Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, gave on the Koran in front of dozens of other doctors at Walter Reed Army Medical Centre in Washington DC, where he worked for six years before arriving at Fort Hood in July.
Colleagues had expected a discussion on a medical issue but were instead given an extremist interpretation of the Koran, which Hasan appeared to believe.”
Note: The following post is a quote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2381724/posts
Ft Hood massacre: Good order and discipline demands loyalty to our nation
911FamiliesForAmerica.org ^ | November 8, 2009 | Tim Sumner
Posted on November 8, 2009 2:01:08 PM PST by Sergeant Tim
Major Hassan’s actions Friday clearly had something to do with him being a Muslim and to state otherwise is akin to a willful suspension of disbelief.
One day back when I was the Operations Sergeant for an Army Provost Marshal Office in Europe, the Provost Marshal (a Major) called me on the carpet for signing off on an investigation where I determined the charges were founded and agreed the facts indicated the named subject had committed the crime for which he was cited. The Major disagreed yet, by his words, revealed he had been unduly influenced into dropping the charges. When I stood by my decision, he said I was “being disloyal” to him. I replied, “My first loyalty is to the nation and while I owe my superiors loyalty, I owe an equal amount to our subordinates, the ones you, Sir, and I lead, including the Military Police who investigated the matter. The witness statements and investigator statements substantiate as reasonable the belief crimes took place and the subject committed said crimes.” The Major then threw the case folder at me, striking me in the chest, and told me to have the Military JAG Office review the case; the JAG agreed with my assessment and the charges stood. Not long afterward, the Major relieved me of duty and placed an unfavorable evaluation in my record.
The details of what followed I will not reveal as it was the prelude to a sad and unfortunate end to that Major’s Army career; a subsequent command investigation vindicated my actions and cleared my record. I write of this solely to illustrate a mindset each member of our military must have. Rarely during my twenty years of Army service did I encounter anyone without an unwavering sense of duty to nation or lacking in moral courage in the face of adversary. From all I see, admittedly from afar, that sense of duty and mindset remains strong among those who wear our nation’s military uniforms. Yet that is what so disturbs me about reports of the behaviors of Major Nidal Malik Hasan prior to the massacre Friday on Fort Hood and the reaction from the current Army leadership:
General George Casey Jr., the Army chief of staff, said on Sunday that he was concerned that speculation about the religious beliefs of Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, accused of killing 12 fellow soldiers and one civilian and wounding 30 others in a shooting rampage at Fort Hood, could “cause a backlash against some of our Muslim soldiers.”
With due respect to General Casey, the publicly known facts indicate what happened on Fort Hood was an attack by Major Nidal Malik Hasan driven by his acceptance of extremist tenants found within the Muslim faith. He expressed prejudicial beliefs, based upon those extremist views, to fellow soldiers prior to the incident indicating his disloyalty to the nation.
It is the duty of every soldier to report such behavior and, when reported, it becomes the responsibility of commanders to determine whether the behavior meets the standards of good order and discipline necessary for continued Army service.
Loyalty is first owed to our nation. Yet beyond that are thirteen dead and thirty-eight wounded and a military wondering if the command failed them. While a fair adjudication of Major Hasan’s case is owed him, we owe all who serve the Army far better than to ignore indiscipline within the ranks, be it from a Muslim or one holding with any faith.
What our troops don’t need now or ever is someone shoving four stars into their eyes while telling them to ignore such behaviors should they observe them in the future. I hope at least one soldier with less rank on their collar has the moral courage to step onto General Casey’s carpet and say that to his face.
Note: The following post is a quote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2381701/posts
EDITORIAL: Too scared to recognize terrorism—Ignoring facts isn’t sensitive; it is suicidal
The Washington Times ^ | November 8, 2009 | Editorial
Posted on November 8, 2009 1:24:05 PM PST by jazusamo
Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan was declared “not a terrorist” before the facts were out - even before officials were sure whether the attacker was alive or dead. Failing to honestly name a terrorist attack despite the evidence is as destructive and dishonest as leaping to call an attack terrorism without the facts to support that.
Apparently, the claim was based largely on the fact that Maj. Hasan appears to have been a lone gunman. However, terrorism is defined not by the number of people involved, but by the motivations and intentions of the attacker. If reports about him are true, Maj. Hasan clearly was a terrorist.
He reportedly was upset about the activities of the United States in the Middle East and purportedly had made postings about suicide attacks on jihadist forums. He told an associate that “maybe the Muslims should stand up and fight against the aggressor”; he was videotaped on the morning of the attack wearing traditional white clothing in the manner of someone about to martyr himself. The same day, he divested himself of belongings and handed out Korans, and he shouted the battle cry of the jihadists, “Allahu Akbar!” before opening fire. If these reports are true, this was not just terrorism; it was Islamic jihadist terrorism.
It is unclear whether Maj. Hasan acted alone or others were involved in this attack. It would not come as a surprise to learn more people were involved. If so, it will constitute a major counterterrorism failure.
Troubling questions are emerging. What diverted authorities from doing a more thorough job of investigating Maj. Hasan six months ago, when he was suspected of jihadist tendencies? Why was he allowed to remain on active duty in the Army, live amongst the troops and prepare for deployment to a combat zone?
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As of this posting, I see we have 116,603 hits (views as of this moment) on this thread which indicates to me there may be more than the usual number of lurkers. So, with that in mind, I want to give a warning. If you’re under 18, have a medical or physical condition, please don’t click on this link. Thank you.
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“The Response to Nidal Malik on English AQ Forums”
SNIPPET: “While the news media tries to dig deeper into the life and mindset of Nidal Malik Hasan in the aftermath of his Fort Hood massacre, I’ve decided to take a slightly different approach in this post. Since 5 November, the English-language pro al-Qaida airwaves have been buzzing in celebration. I’ve been tracking the discussion on one of the harder core English AQ websites, Ansarnet.
Bottom line up front: On the English-language, pro AQ websites, Nidal Malik Hasan’s attack at Ft Hood is being hailed as a victory for Islam and al-Qaida. The participants involved in the discussion see this as the opening shot in what they hope to be a long and bloody war in the United States.
Let’s begin at the beginning of how this story played out on Ansarnet. On 5 November, in the immediate aftermath, “Asadullah Alshishani” posted the text of breaking news coverage about the attack into a new thread. He added no editorial commentary in this first post. However, it’s important to understand who “Asadullah Alshishani” is, at least online.
This user, whose real name we don’t know, joined the forum in DEC 2008. Since joining, he has logged 5,896 post. He describes himself as “Chechen terrorist brother.” Perhaps most interesting for this story is that, at some point in the early part of this news cycle, he adopted the photo of Nidal Malik Hasan as his personal avatar. Here’s the screenshot of his posting with the Nidal Malik photo as his avatar:”
SNIPPET: “These kinds of gruesome propaganda productions should remind us that there is an ideology spreading in the United States that believes al-Qaida to be morally sound, even superior. It is an ideology that believes in killing American citizens in cold blood. It is an ideology that will persist until a major national effort is made to understand its intellectual roots, political aims and social manifestations. It is an ideology that exists independent of, but can be exacerbated by, the decisions we make as a nation.
Let’s ensure that tragedies like the Ft. Hood shootings embolden our resolve to annihilate this movement intelligently and deliberately.”
SNIPPET: “This entry was posted on Sunday, November 8th, 2009 at 4:38 pm and is filed under American Jihadis, English-Language Jihadis, Jihadi Media, On the Forums, Uncategorized. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site.”
Below is from the link you provided.
I post it here because it is important for anyone to understand this is what happens when the policy is “be nice to them, they will be nice to us.”
You will notice the rhetoric is not any different that the vile rhetoric coming out of their mouths when President Bush was in the Oval Office....Or Clinton, George HW Bush, Reagan, Carter.
They hated us then. They hate us now.
They are racists as well.
What a great day happen to be turned out today..MasyaAllah 13 pigs for fuel in hell fire..that house n****a & his pigster sons of apes cowards surely had a terrible headache as they had never in their worthless life expect an event like this would ever occur especially in texas..the pork choppers in washington must have had so many question mark on their brainless mind right about now..May Allah destroy them all filthy crusaders apes..
Alhamdulillah Allah had answer our du’a..i urge everybody here including myself to praise Allah more often then you ever before & insyaAllah next time He will favor us again with a scores of dead crusaders much more higher than today..
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Note: Photos included.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/06/fort.hood.shootings.victims/index.html
“Fort Hood victims: Sons, a daughter, a mother-to-be”
November 8, 2009 8:31 a.m. EST
You definitely hit the nail on the head old FRiend!
Good to see you again!
Hat Tip:
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/199506.php
November 08, 2009
“Major Hasan: “Jihad means holy war””
By Barbarossa at November 8, 2009 12:17 AM
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Thank you. -Cindy
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Blogs and Stories:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-11-07/major-hasans-hidden-militancy/full/
“Inside the Gunman’s Mosque”
by Asra Q. Nomani
SNIPPET: “Not long ago, inside the quiet library of the Muslim Community Center here in Silver Spring, Maryland, a suburb of Washington, D.C., Golam Akhter, a local Bangladeshi-American civil engineer, 67, got into a fierce debate with a young Muslim doctor over how to interpret the concept of “jihad” within Islam. Akhter argued, “Jihad means an inner struggle, fighting against corruption and injustice.”
The young doctor responded. “That’s not a correct interpretation. Jihad means holy war. When your religion isn’t safe, you have to fight for it. If someone attacks you, you must fight them. That is jihad. You can kill someone who is harming you.”
A closer look reveals a complex picture of a young first-generation American Muslim man living a life of dissonance between his identity as an American and his ideology as a Muslim who had accepted a literal, rigid interpretation of Islam.
The conversation would be just another theological debate, interesting but irrelevant, except that the doctor was Maj. Nidal Hasan, 39, the gunman in the tragic Fort Hood rampage. After being posted to Walter Reed Hospital as a psychiatrist, Hasan called the Muslim Community Center his local mosque.”
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SNIPPET: ““So many times I talked with him,” said Akhter, a community leader who is sort of like a mosque gadfly, challenging congregants to reject literal, rigid interpretations of Islam. “I was trying to modernize him. I tried my best. He used to hate America as a whole. He was more anti-American than American.”
Despite all the conversations, Akther said, “I couldn’t get through to him. He was a typical fundamentalist Muslim.””
SNIPPET: “Hasan answered back: “It is written in the holy Quran. If a believer has any question about the Quran, then he is not a true believer.”
To argue for jihad as holy war is to accept strict adherence to verses such as this one (2: 216), translated in the Noble Quran as: “Jihad (holy fighting in Allah’s cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it.” That translation is published by the government of Saudi Arabia.
Another time, the engineer and the doctor debated the question of whether a thief’s hand should be cut off, a punishment laid out in a literal read of the Quran (5: 38). Akhter made the historically accurate point that Umar, the second caliph after the death of the prophet Muhammad, suspended this punishment during a time of famine. Hasan listened and then responded, “That’s not for everybody. Only Umar can interpret that. We have to follow the Quran in total.” Hasan’s strict adherence to literal readings of the Quran betrays his leanings to extremist Islam.”
AND GREAT to see you here on FR Judicial Meanz.
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