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A 'Convincing Win' in Ireland for Europe Treaty (Constitution) (Europe now one Country!!!)
The New York Times ^ | October 3, 2009 | Eric Pfanner

Posted on 10/03/2009 8:41:53 AM PDT by TheRiverNile

Ireland has said yes to a plan to raise the political voice of Europe in world affairs, voting overwhelmingly to approve a treaty aimed at streamlining the operations of the European Union after rejecting the same pact only last year.

Irish government and E.U. officials hailed the strong turnout in favor of the Lisbon Treaty, which would give the E.U. its first full-time president and foreign policy chief. Approval of the referendum follows a bitterly fought campaign that had raised concerns among foreign investors about Ireland’s commitment to the 27-nation bloc but ultimately hinged on Ireland ’s profound economic troubles.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: eu; globalism; lisbon
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To: DoughtyOne

“...what a sad day...”

Ditto that!


21 posted on 10/03/2009 8:59:12 AM PDT by 444Flyer ( "Every society honors its live conformists and its dead troublemakers."--Mignon McLaughlin)
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To: TheRiverNile

The gears of the globalist machine grind ever onward . . . chewing up all in it’s path.

Thx.


22 posted on 10/03/2009 8:59:54 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: TheRiverNile
Time to change the song

A province once again,
A province once again,
And Ireland, long a Nation, be
A province once again!

23 posted on 10/03/2009 9:03:33 AM PDT by omega4412
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To: randomhero97

Thirded


24 posted on 10/03/2009 9:05:32 AM PDT by TheZMan (Just secede and get it over with. No love lost on either side. Cya.)
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To: Saoirise
The Great Irish Warpipe goes silent now.:(
25 posted on 10/03/2009 9:06:57 AM PDT by 444Flyer ( "Every society honors its live conformists and its dead troublemakers."--Mignon McLaughlin)
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To: Quix

Paging William Wallace...paging William Wallace


26 posted on 10/03/2009 9:08:16 AM PDT by TheRiverNile
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To: Saoirise; MestaMachine

Lament...

“Irish Warpipes...”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3t8P1eqyvo&feature=related


27 posted on 10/03/2009 9:09:41 AM PDT by 444Flyer ( "Every society honors its live conformists and its dead troublemakers."--Mignon McLaughlin)
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To: TheRiverNile

INDEED.

He could begin by castrating in fact all those Senators so habitually acting like they already are.


28 posted on 10/03/2009 9:10:00 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: 444Flyer

Thanks for the note of agreement.


29 posted on 10/03/2009 9:11:13 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Deficit spending, trade deficits, unsecure mortages, worthless paper... ... not a problem. Oh yeah?)
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To: TheRiverNile
Two comments from Ireland

1) Via Eureferendum from Gerry Adams:

"Gerry Adams says the Irish political establishment had ignored the decision of the Irish voters after the first Lisbon referendum. They would regret the day they ignored the views of "no" voters this time."

"Constantinople": "Would that be a promise or a threat. Just wondering."

RAENorth: "Could be a prophesy."

2) Anthony Coughlan via Your Freedom and Ours"

Statement by Anthony Coughlan, Dublin, on Ireland's Lisbon Two referendum result

Not the will of the people, but the fear of the people, has led a majority of Irish voters to approve ratifyng the Lisbon Treaty in yesterday's re-run referendum.

Ireland's voters voted not on the content of Lisbon but on membership of the EU, on fear of political isolation if they did not say Yes to the same Treaty as they said No to last year, and on the promise of jobs and economic recovery which the Yes-side bullied and bamboozled them into believing was they would get if they only voted Yes.

Thus the bankrupt Irish political Establishment, which has ruined its country's economy, has opted through stupidity and fear to clamp an undemocratic Constitution on itself and most of Europe.

This year the Republic of Ireland will suffer a decline of nearly one-tenth in its economic output; it will have a Budget deficit equivalent to 12% of GDP, an unemployment rate of some 14% of its labour force and resumed net emigration from the country.

One accepts the result of the Lisbon re-run as a fact, but it is not a result that democrats need morally or politically to identify with or approve. This result does not have political legitimacy, whatever the voting percentages amount to, because of the fraudulent and undemocratic way in which the referendum was run, making it unique in these respects among the 30 or so referendums that have been held in Ireland since its Constitution was adopted in 1937.

With limitless money provided by the Brussels Commission, the political parties in the European Parliament, the Irish Government and private business firms, Ireland's Yes-side forces easily outspent the Nos by at least ten to one in a referendum campaign which was unique in modern Irish history for its massive unlawfulness and breaches of the country's referendum law.

There were at least six dimensions to this illegality:

1) The intervention of the European Commission, entailing massive expenditure of money to influence Irish opinion towards a Yes, the running of a web-site and the issuing of statements that sought to counter No-side arguments, and the adocacy of a Yes vote by Commission President Barroso and other Commissioners and their staffs during visits to Ireland. This is unlawful under European law, as the Commission has no function in relation to the ratification of new Treaties, something that is exclusively a matter for the Member States under their own constitutional procedures;

2.) The part funding of the posters and press advertising of most of Ireland's Yes-side political parties by their sister parties in the European Parliament, even though it is illegal under Irish law to receive donations from sources outside the country in a referendum and even though, under European law, money provided by the European Parliament to cross-national political parties is supposed to be confined to informational-type material and to avoid partisan advocacy;

3) The Irish Government's unlawful use of public funds in circulating to voters a postcard with details of the so-called "assurances" of the European Council, followed by a brochure some time later containing a tendentious summary of the provisions of the Lisbon Treaty, as well as other material - steps that were in breach of the 1995 Irish Supreme Court judgement in McKenna that it is unconstitutional of the Government to use public funds to seek to obtain a particular result in a referendum;

4) The failure of the country's statutory Referendum Commission to carry out its function under the Referendum Act that established it of explaining to citizens how the proposed constitutional amendment and its text would affect the Irish Constitution. Instead the Commission's Chairman, Judge Frank Clarke, turned the Commission into an arm of Government propaganda, while the judge indulged himself in various "solo-runs" on radio and in the newspapers, giving several erroneous explanations of provisions of the Lisbon Treaty, even though this was quite beyond his powers under the Act;

5) Huge expenditure of money by private companies such as Intel and Ryanair to advocate a Yes vote, without any statutory limit, in possible breach of Irish company and tax law, and undoubtedly constituting a major democratic abuse.

6) Breaches by the Irish broadcast media of their obligation under the Broadcasting Acts to be fair to all interests concerned in their coverage of issues of public controversy and debate. Newstalk 106, owned by Mr Denis O'Brien, a committed supporter of the Yes side, was quite shameless in its partisanship on its current affairs programmes.

Democrats across Europe will now hope that the brave President of the Czech Republic, Vaclav Klaus, will hold back Czech ratification of the Treaty until the constitutional challenge that has been launched there is completed and there is a change of Government in Britain by next May.

In that way the promise of a referendum made to the British people in the Labour Party's Election Manifesto may yet be fulfilled under the Conservatives - something that would give our fellow countrymen and women in Northern Ireland a chance of voting on this EU Constitution.

In June the German Constitutional Court laid down that the basic principles of democracy required that there should be parliamentary control of how Government Ministers from the EU Member States exercised various implementing powers under the Lisbon Treaty - for example the "simplified revision procedure" of Article 48 TEU whereby policy areas can be shifted from unanimity to majority voting without need of new Treaties or referendums.

Germany instituted such parliamentary controls in September. Ireland has done so in the Constitutional Amendment people voted for yesterday. Similar parliamentary controls should now be sought through Court actions in as many EU countries as possible in the interest of defending what is left of democracy in Europe.

If Lisbon however should go through and come into force for all 27 States, giving the post-Lisbon EU the constitutional form of a Federation and turning 500 million people into real EU citizens for the first time without their being asked, that is bound to make the question of national independence and democracy the main issue of European politics for years and possibly decades to come - not least in Ireland, whose modern political history has been largely a struggle against the drawbacks of its people being made citizens of another country.

The Lisbon Two referendum has exposed the moral and political bankruptcy of Ireland's main political parties. There is a vacuum in Irish politics, as there is in many other EU countries, when all the "Establishment" political parties line up on one side and so many of the country's citizens are on the other.

Across Europe huge numbers of citizens are not being properly represented by those who have been elected to represent them. The coming period in history will see many attempts to fill this political vacuum, in Ireland and elsewhere.

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30 posted on 10/03/2009 9:16:33 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: TheThinker
"if it isn’t based on a Republican form of government, it is doomed to fail"

It can only get worse. You can hardly change the organizational culture of even a medium-sized business.

Changing the organizational culture of a country is absolutely impossible. They expect to be ruled as if by kings, so they are still ruled as if by kings. Not much has changed in 1000 years.

America is different only because it is BRAND NEW, formed at a time when egalitarianism, freedom, and equality were meaningful ideas, rather than buzzwords and soundbites.

If only the teenage-mentality arrested-development idiots on the left would realize that.



So here is the reformed Roman Empire, as predicted by the Bible. If you do not know about the Daniel prophecy, Chuck Missler is good.
31 posted on 10/03/2009 9:19:08 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
The first link was meant to be to Daniel 2:43
32 posted on 10/03/2009 9:21:08 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: reg45; ConservativeMan55; StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; ...
So! The leaders of France, Germany and the United Kingdom will be like governors of states.

bttt yep

Wow... this is stunning.

33 posted on 10/03/2009 9:23:40 AM PDT by nutmeg (Obamunism is destroying America)
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To: DoughtyOne

The one great hope that Europe has right now is that many countries are turning away from socialism and communism and embracing free market strategies, entrepreneurship and capitalism.


34 posted on 10/03/2009 9:25:19 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: TheRiverNile

The noose tightens, the revived Roman Empire prophesied in the Bible takes shape.


35 posted on 10/03/2009 9:32:39 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: ScaniaBoy

bump for later read


36 posted on 10/03/2009 9:33:00 AM PDT by Dinah Lord
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To: TheThinker

>>> I’m sure that Europe will benefit in the beginning, particularly economically <<<<

Especially if we American taxpayers continue our 65-year subsidy of Europe’s defense budget.


37 posted on 10/03/2009 9:35:50 AM PDT by angkor (The U.S. Congress is at war with America.)
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To: TheRiverNile
Irish were forced to go for the treaty, now.

Klaus sent his prime minister Jan Fischer to Brussels (9/17) to explain that "a constitutional challenge" (launched by Klaus) had to be resolved before final ratification - which could take up to six months. The Eurocrats were so purpled with rage they almost physically assaulted Fischer.

Klaus' strategy is to delay signing (the courts will likely compel him to sign in the end) until the British elections next spring. Gordon Brown's Labor Government forced through British ratification last year. But the Brits viscerally despise the Brown regime, which is going to be electorally destroyed.

David Cameron's Conservative Party will be swept into power, and he has made a public referendum on the Lisbon Treaty a central plank in his election campaign. The Brits never had a chance to vote on Lisbon; Labor in Parliament forced it against their wishes. Per Jack Wheeler

38 posted on 10/03/2009 9:37:13 AM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: TheRiverNile

ALL HEIL! THE NEW ROMAN EMPIRE IS BORN!

With a constituion of how many pages?

Hmmm?


39 posted on 10/03/2009 9:38:10 AM PDT by Ronbo1948
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

Some people have always been more equal than others. Even in your brave republic.


40 posted on 10/03/2009 9:39:03 AM PDT by Vanders9
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