Posted on 09/04/2009 8:50:36 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Once again, a NASA space probe is supporting the 6,000-year biblical age of the solar system...
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You are twisting the facts. Jesus spoke the truth and never engaged in false witnessing as we see here. Jesus never distorted the other's position for his personal gain as you do.
Just speaking the truth, as you said Jesus did.
It wasn't multi-pronged. Besides:
The suggestion that a Christian would never ever say anything negative about another person is belied by scripture
While you judge others of judging others.....
Mat 7:1 -
Judge not ... - This command refers to rash, censorious, and unjust judgment.
UNJUST- when it’s just- it’s perfectly reasonable, AND our duty to judge- The unjust like to throw around Matthew 7 as though it’s ‘not Christian’ to judge others in anything- but the simple fact is that it’s not ChristiAN TO ALLOW THE UNJUST TO CONTINUE CLAIMIGN FALSE (WOOPS CPS) things, denigrating Christians and hteir values, on and on it goes-
[[Christ does not condemn judging as a magistrate, for that, when according to justice, is lawful and necessary. Nor does he condemn our “forming an opinion” of the conduct of others, for it is impossible “not” to form an opinion of conduct that we know to be evil. But what he refers to is a habit of forming a judgment hastily, harshly, and without an allowance for every palliating circumstance, and a habit of “expressing” such an opinion harshly and unnecessarily when formed. It rather refers to private judgment than “judicial,” and perhaps primarily to the customs of the scribes and Pharisees.]]
[[Just a hint, if you learned how to use spell check people just might take you a little bit seriously,]]
Just a hint- the TRUTH of what I state stands on it’s own merrits- and pointing out spelling m,istakes as though it is meaningful for refuting the TRUTH of what’s stated is silly- Quite franklyu, if someoen is shallow enough to ignore the TRUTH that is stated... and justifie0.s it. by obsessing about spelling, they aren’t worthy of contending with to be blunt about it- I’ll match witts with you or anyone anyday, and if you want to claim ‘victory’ because words aren’t spelled i nthe correct order- then enjoy yor shallow victory- the TRUTRH will always stand up to any such silly attacks
Oh, that’s right, you’re the one who wrote that the Bible was “written for” people you described as being “near stone-age.”
It was written by men who were: accomplished astronomers, builders, educators and religious leaders, many of the leading people of that day. These were not unlearned people, and they did not seek to pander to ignorance. They espoused eternal truth, and often came right out and said so.
Even if, as you suppose, that eternal truth was dumbed down somehow, the eternal truth at the base of that basic truth would not be in error, whether interpreted as allegory or literally.
Speaking of “basic,” there are very basic problems with interpreting “yom” to even mean 1,000 years, but I acknowledge that interpretation, as it’s been commonly tossed out in these debates. What sort of lifespan would God’s greatest creature, in His own image, Adam, have to have had, in order to exist until the final day, yom, age, era, eon or whatever you want to spin it into being, in order for the hundreds of millions of years required for evolution to produce man, to work at all? He’s recorded as having days of 930 years. Awfully close to that other understanding of yom. But, not close at all, to the evolutionary necessity, which would be what, 500,000 times that, a millon times that ... or even more?
The answer is, simply, that it doesn’t work. You guys laugh at the lifespans in the antediluvian, Biblical begats, but resort to truly epic ages for absolutely everything, in order to negate Biblical Creation. To pose as some sort of authority regarding the Biblical account of Creation, as a result, is more than just highly suspect.
Furthermore, you’re not just limited to picking apart and contorting Genesis, in this tail-chasing effort at undermining the clear meaning. Jesus Christ was the second Adam. Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was born into this world as flesh and blood, to provide the final sacrifice, to atone for sin, the Messiah, the fulfillment of the Old Covenant and the basis of the New Covenant. Sin entered this world through the actions of Eve and in turn Adam. Sin resulted in death, which did not exist in the world up to that point. The death of Jesus Christ on the Cross was the final sacrifice, atoning for the spiritual consequences of that sin, removing the necessity of performing sacrifice under the law of the Old Testament.
Death will ultimately be abolished, on Earth, according to the Bible. I guess you’d better get to work, reinterpreting that part, too, since science has no explanation for that, either.
So, hopefully you, and any other person of honesty and goodwill, who genuinely seeks to understand the truth of the Bible, will understand just why I’ll stick with the plain reading of the text. I’ve resorted to the original Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek, when I’ve sought a greater level of understanding. That, it invariably provides. What it does not provide, is cover for those who really don’t want to believe in the God whose Word it represents, in the first place.
We are indeed to test everything and that means looking at it and passing judgment on whether it’s from God or not or whether it matches up to Scripture or not.
Romans 12:1-2 Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God—this is your spiritual act of worship. Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
I Thessalonians 5:20-22 Test everything. Hold on to the good.
I John 4:1-3 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
So that statement was not a “rash, censorious, and unjust judgment”?
[[Those of us, who believe and who recognize clear, behavioral expectations, are somehow bad under this manufactured scenario.]]
Precisely, but htis type of htinking shows they don’t understand God’s word very well, and are willing to actually ignore and dismiss parts of God’s word that command us to judge, to expose, and to lay bare error and htose who consistently make them and have alterior motives that have nothign to do with biblical truths
Actually at the ICR (the source of most of the drivel) I find a variation on Argument by Authority.
“This respected scientist did this research, and it supports our cause.”
The problem is that every respectable scientist whose research is referenced absolutely does not agree with how it is used by the YECs. The recent one with the fossilized mummy showed this perfectly, as the scientist was a devout Christian who took offense at the misuse of her work.
[[What sort of lifespan would God’s greatest creature, in His own image, Adam, have to have had, in order to exist until the final day, yom, age, era, eon or whatever you want to spin it into being, in order for the hundreds of millions of years required for evolution to produce man, to work at all?]]
As well- we MUST ignore God’s word tellign us that there was no spirit death BEFORE the fall, because IF man evolved over billions of years, there most certainly would have had to be spirit death before the fall- so I guess large chunks of God’s word that don’t fit the macroevolutionary timeframe therefore must be ignored, dismissed, and thrown out- As Well, we’re told God ‘looked around’ for a mate for Adam, and couldn’t find a suitable one of the same kind, and had to create one because it was not good that man should be alone- but here again, apparently we must iognore God’s word in order to beleive a mate materialized through billions of years of macroevolution.
One has to wonder just how those who beleive in macroevolution can claim to ‘beleive the bible’ when they throw so much of it out- one has to wonder by what criteria they pick and choose which passages to beleive and which to ignore
I am speakign about your claim that we’re ‘not to judge others’ anmd nothign else Ira your claim is not biblical
The anti-science rhetoric comes from evo-cretinist, fanatical Luddite, evo-atheists who deny that God created and sustains the Universe and everything in it.
Tell me, which parts of the Bible do you actually believe? Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the literal son of God? Do you believe Jesus Christ literally died and rose from the grave? Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the second person of the triune God? Do you believe the Jesus Christ supernaturally healed the sick and raised the dead? Do you believe that Jesus Christ is coming back to judge the living and the dead? Do you believe that Jesus Christ created the entire Universe and everything in it, and is currently holding it all together with the power of His Word? Do you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior? Do you believe there is no way into Heaven except by Him?
It's most disgusting when non-believers try to manipulate Christian's behavior by hanging over someone's head the threat that their behavior is keeping unbelievers from salvation.
The clear meaning that someone is a bad Christian because they won't change their behavior that results in others rejecting Christ and what kind of Christian are the that they don't care if their behavior results in the loss of someone's salvation, is so pathetically obvious that it's ridiculous.
Jesus did nothing wrong and He was accused of all kinds of stuff by the Pharisees and was eventually killed for it.
A Christian doesn't have to do anything wrong at all to earn slander and misrepresentations from unbelievers.
But these blatant attempts to manipulate behavior are , well, pretty childish themselves.
The other thing is, the only reason that people have any negative views of creationists and Christians as *anti-science* is because of the liberals portraying them that way. If the liberal, evo/atheist crowd didn't constantly harp on how Christians and creationists are *anti-science*, *anti-intellectual*, talibanesque, Luddites, wanting to establish a theocracy and send the world back into the Dark Ages, there wouldn't be any issues with *turning people away from Christ*.
The evos and atheists on this forum and others I've read, are constantly portraying Christians in a bad light and then have the nerve to accuse the Christians and creationists of doing it to themselves.
Sorry, not buying that one. WE aren't the ones painting ourselves in that light, the evos are.
It's the misrepresentations promoted by the atheists and Christian haters that do that damage.
That's it in a nutshell.
Debate? Sure. This would be a good one for debate class.
But science? No. There is no real scientific debate going on. At best ID has so far been a collection of scientific attacks on the theory of natural selection, and they have all failed.
This brings forth my BIGGEST problem with IDers. Even if you want to call ID a scientific theory, it is still far on the fringe of science, battling for acceptance. That kind of stuff should not get taught in grade school. Grade school is a place for accepted scientific theory, and for now that is natural selection.
Your Wedge Document showed the IDer's scheme to promote ID. Their plan relied on publicity, appeals to religion, and other non-scientific means to push ID into schools long before it is ever accepted science. They wanted to get just a few publications out there so they could say "it's science" and get it into schools.
Schools reflect the science. Schools are not the place to push a new theory in hopes the kids will grow up accepting it. It's a warping of the scientific method, and a travesty for education.
Evos use that argument all the time. They are in no position to denounce it.
All excellent points, Metmom. I would only add that it is the evo-atheists who are guilty of the very things they accuse creationists of. It is they who in fact most resemble the Luddites; it is their philosophy of causation and origins which place them closest to self-imposed cretinism; it is they who exhibit their anti-science mentality when they try to stiffle the debate over origins; it is they who exhibit Talibanesque behavor and brook zero dissent; and it is they who want to return to the pre-Judeo/Christian era when there was no rhyme or reason to the laws governing the Universe. They are guilty of everything they accuse us of and more. And as such, there entire campaign, like so many other campaigns on the Left, is a massive campaign of projection.
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