RUSH: McCARTHY on Pelosi, the NY Times and the GERMAN NATIONAL SOCIALISTS

www.rushlimbaugh.com ^ | Friday, August 14, 2009 | Rush Limbaugh

[Yosemitest]

McCarthy on Pelosi, the NY Times and the German National Socialists
August 14, 2009

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RUSH: Are there any hate groups on the left?
There are, right?
Are they ever the subject of network news reports?
Has Brian "The Repeater" Ross ever gone out there and done a report on left-wing hate groups?
No!
In fact, when we hear about left-wing hate groups and their work, we're supposed to marvel at the art.
It may be offensive but we're supposed to marvel at the art.
Southern Poverty Law Center, do you know how much these people are worth?
It's $220 million they're worth.
They got $33 million in donations in I think 2007,
I don't have the year in front of me, but the Southern POVERTY Law Center: $220 million according to their 501(c)(3).

Last thing I'm going to say about this, it's finally posted at National Review Online by Andy McCarthy:

"Nazis for Me, but Not for Thee --
It's this week's fashion on the left,
and among such fashionably contemplative moderates as Mort Kondracke,
to blast Rush Limbaugh for comparing Democrats to the Nazis.
It's no surprise that the Obama hardcores are misrepresenting the sequence and substance of events,
but I would have hoped that Kondracke would at least have noted that Rush's comparison --
even if Kondracke thought it unwise
-- was neither gratuitous nor demagogic.
To recap, the speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, started this episode
by comparing American citizens who oppose Obamacare to the Nazis
and asserting that her political opponents were donning 'swastikas.'


"(Sen. Barbara Boxer simultaneously ripped Obamacare dissenters for their Brooks Brothers suits --
it's not altogether clear where on the twill the swastika goes.)
Pelosi's tactic was the shopworn smear we on the right have dealt with for six decades.
There is no conceivable substantive connection between opposition to Obamacare and German National Socialism --
they are antithetical.
By invoking the Nazis, Pelosi was patently slandering dissenters as racist thugs,"
and I want to add one more time here,
because they've got this report on ABC that from the Southern Poverty Law Center
that I and my posting of that swastika-like Obama logo on my website
somehow is ginning up hatred for Obama.

It seems it would be ginning up hated for me,
but the point is
I'm not the guy that surrounds myself with Jew haters.
There's no bigger supporter of Israel than I.
Not Obama. Me!
The anti-Semites, the people that hate Jews, they're not part of my circle.
They're not part of my life.
It was our president, Barack Obama, who surrounded himself with such people.
I never hear word one from Brian Ross at ABC or the Southern Poverty Law Center
about Khalidi or Jeremiah Wright or Bill Ayers or any of the rest of them.
It's not I who urge dealings with Iran at the expense of our ally, Israel.
So, Mr. Ross, you and the Southern Poverty Law Center are trying to tie us on the right to Nazis
when you've got a man in the White House who has surrounded himself with anti-Israeli people and anti-Jew people?

You begin to rethink this, Mr. Ross,
and be very careful when you start allowing propagandists to throw around accusations.
Now, back to McCarthy.
"Rush responded, and the response did not smear Democrats.
He repeatedly and explicitly qualified
that no one was saying
Obama was Hitler,
that Pelosi was Goebbels,
or that the Democrats were engaged in the genocidal barbarity of the Third Reich.
The comparison he drew was a substantive one:
between the Democrats' proposal for socialized medicine
and the German installation of socialized medicine
beginning with Bismarck
and reaching its shocking apotheosis with Hitler's National Socialism.
(A transcript of what he actually contended is here, and...)"
and it's linked and so forth and so on.


"Whether you agree with that or not (I happen to think it's undeniable),
Rush was also making a larger point
that is not only fair argument but essential argument.
There is a trajectory of socialism, regardless of the good intentions of many socialists.
As he framed it,
you take things such as health care,
things that are traditionally understood as within the ambit of individual liberty and free choice;
you move such things into the ambit of state responsibility as the welfare state emerges and grows,
on the theory
that it is government's responsibility to provide for everyone's needs (by redistributing resources);
as more things are moved from private to public control,
the state by definition becomes totalitarian;
and, inexorably, the totalitarian state gets bad leaders
and the society comes to reflect the policy choices of those leaders.


"Now, we can argue until the end of time
about whether that trajectory really exists and whether it is inevitable.
But however you come out, it is an argument very much worth having.
It goes to what kind of society we are going to be,
to what the proper relationship between the citizen and the state is.
Nazi Germany is a useful historical example of socialism run amok.
The genocide and terrorism ultimately practiced by the Nazis were horrible -- that goes without saying.
But National Socialism went on for a dozen years,
it was the last stage in a progressive nationalization of German society,
and there was a lot more to it than genocide and terrorism.
It cannot be that because there was genocide and terrorism,
the socialist aspects of National Socialism are outside the lines of acceptable political discourse.


"Indeed, if that were the case, Jonah Goldberg's book, Liberal Fascism,
one of the most important political books of the last quarter century,
could not have been written --
and given it's menace popularity,
it doesn't look like Americans are as convinced as Mort Kondracke seems to be
that these comparisons are verboten."
Now, this is where it gets really interesting, here, folks.
Stick with me.
"Let's put aside the left's propensity to slander conservatives with comparisons to Adolf Hitler,
who was patently a man of the left.
Earlier this year, one New York Times writer seemed to find comparisons to National Socialism quite worthy when --
at least in the telling
-- those comparisons worked in the left's favor.

"While Americans were hotly debating the merits of the Obama 'stimulus' in April,
the Wall Street Journal's James Taranto called attention to a very interesting economic analysis
offered by David Leonhardt" of the New York Times.
"The segment Taranto highlighted is worth rehashing:
'In the summer of 1933, just as they will do on Thursday,
heads of government and their finance ministers met in London
to talk about a global economic crisis.
They accomplished little and went home to battle the crisis in their own ways.
More than any other country, Germany -- Nazi Germany -- then set out on a serious stimulus program.
The government built up the military, expanded the autobahn, put up stadiums for the 1936 Berlin Olympics
and built monuments to the Nazi Party across Munich and Berlin.

"The economic benefits of this vast works program [in 1933 Germany] never flowed to most workers,
because fascism doesn't look kindly on collective bargaining.
But Germany did escape the Great Depression faster than other countries.
Corporate profits boomed, and unemployment sank
(and not because of slave labor, which didn't become widespread until later)."
They're praising what the Nazis did in April in 1933 in the New York Times!
As a justification for Obama's stimulus, they are praising Germany's stimulus in the New York Times
by citing 1933 Germany.
McCarthy's point here is that:
When the left wants to, it will cite
what they think are positive aspects of Nazism, National Socialism.
"Harold James, an economic historian, says
that the young liberal economists studying under John Maynard Keynes in the 1930s
began to debate whether Hitler had solved unemployment."
Young liberal economists debated whether Hitler had solved unemployment!
What the hell's happening today?
Young and old, liberal journalists and economists are telling us
the recession is over, that the recovery is on its way.
I did not know this, by the way.
I had missed this story in the New York Times in April.
I didn't know this until I read Andy's piece this morning.
David Leonhardt, New York Times,
"In the summer of 1933,"
just as they will on Thursday,
"heads of government ... met in London ...
More than any other country, Germany --
Nazi Germany --
then set out on a serious stimulus program,"
and yet Pelosi and Durbin and Obama's henchmen are running around calling all of us Nazis.

When the New York Times ran a story praising Obama's stimulus by comparing it to Hitler's.


"After all due qualifiers about
how terribly uncomfortable he felt
about invoking lessons from the Nazis,"
the story goes on and the author of the New York Times basically says
I don't like doing this.
I don't like doing this,
he
"somehow summoned the inner fortitude to make the obvious explicit:
'Here in the United States, many people are understandably wondering
whether the $800 billion stimulus program will make much of a difference.
They want to know:
Does stimulus work?
Fortunately, this is one economic question that's been answered pretty clearly in the last century.
Yes, stimulus works. It worked in Germany.'"


Now, ladies and gentlemen,
we're going to link to Andy's story at National Review Online,
and we're going to put this on the free side
so that you can all see this throughout the weekend
and spread it to as many people as you choose to.
The New York Times, in support of Obama's stimulus plan,
cites the success of the stimulus plan instituted by the Nazis in Germany in 1933.
"Yes, stimulus works."
As James Taranto observed:
"[W]hatever you may think of the merits of Leonhardt's argument,
it was appropriate for him to make it:
The wisdom vel non of policies adopted during over a decade of Nazi socialism cannot be off the table
simply because, in the end, the Nazis were monsters.

"We may find the seeds of their monstrousness in those policies, or we may not.
But the thought that we should not talk about them b>is absurd.
Notably, Leonhardt's piece ran without any teeth-gnashing from Mort Kondracke and our other Beltway chaperones.
National Socialism is banned from the right's case against socialism, but is somehow acceptable when leftists use it as a smear
or when the left's nuanced geniuses,
after their very thoughtful consideration,
decide its invocation is suitable for mature audiences?
I don't think so."
That's "Nazis for Me, but Not for Thee."
This is just incredible.
The New York Times, so support back home's stimulus
cites the success of the Nazi National Socialist stimulus in Germany.
"Yes, Stimulus Works."


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National Review: Nazis for Me, but Not for Thee - Andy McCarthy

WSJ: All the 'Nuance' That's Fit to Print. The New York Times Relaxes Taboos about Nazi Germany

ABC: Fear for Obama's Safety Grows as Hate Groups Thrive on Racial Backlash


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[Yosemitest]

Thank you, Rush.

And let me quote Rush again:

"... spread it to as many people as you choose to."

Here's one more article Public Secrets - NYT writer endorses fascist economics!.

Rush, I have a request.
Please read

Seton Motley on Glenn Beck about Mark Lloyd:
ASSAULT ON CONSERVATIVE AND CHRISTIAN TALK RADIO
Click on video link below to view on youtube.com.



Then please give your thoughts, Rush, on the subject,
because I don't trust the Republicans to defeat the Democrats National Socialists
on making our Right of FREE SPEECH ... UNAFFORDABLE!

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

This is unreal. Not only did the Nazis control healthcare, they also regulated cigarettes, were gun grabbers, animal rights advocates, anti-semites, and death trolls. They had a para-military force [something Obama openly wants]. The only difference? Methods, targets, and effective power so far as I can see. If not for the TEA movement, I think it would have been much worse than it is.

So hey, since they are calling us Nazis, aiming rocks at a stone wall, let’s knock down their glass house for goodness sake.

[raybbr]

I don't know if it was Rush or Beck who said, "Why can't we compare the current administration to the Nazi's? Short of the mass extermination of people everything they did this administration is trying to do!" (paraphrase)

Why can't we compare them to the Nationalsozialismus Party of Germany?

[Yosemitest]

Yes we can (compare them to the NATIONAL SOCIALIST Party of Germany)!!!

[BOBTHENAILER]

BTTP

[Yosemitest]

Here's what we need.

"Gonna' burn their play house down!"
Click on the video link

[kindred]

The whole left wing is a consolidated hate group that plans to destroy our nations freedoms and the wonderful lives that men can live in freedom.
They are of the evil one Satan who leads them in their thinking and are always marked by lies, stealing, and murder of their fellow man.
They say such lies as;
The heart of man is basically good. God says the heart of man is deceitful and desperately wicked.
They say how that money brings happiness. God says that the love of money is the root of all evil and that those who covet after it pierce themselves through with many sorrows.
They say we should all get along. God says that two can not walk together unless they be agreed and the children of men are not agreed now nor will they be until the Lord God sends His only begotten son, Jesus Christ,as King of Kings after the 7 year wrath of God on mankind for their unbelief and mocking of Lord Jesus who is Christ indeed.
They say there is no evil. God says that evildoers will be destroyed from the earth when Jesus Christ is Lord and Saviour and King of all the earth in Israel.
They say that everything the Bible declares as truth is a lie. God says that He is the way the truth and the life and no man can be saved from the sin we are born in but by faith in the one mediator between the God of Israel and mankind, the man and God Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour. God says that the thoughts of man are evil from their youth up.
So whom do you believe. I believe that the Word of God, even Jesus Christ and Him only, is the truth and the world of lost sinners are all liars and than every knee shall bow and confess how that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the father.
They say that everything is getting better. God says that the latter days peoples will be covetous, proud , blasphemers, disobedient to parents,unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers,incontinent, despiser's of those that are good, traitors, high minded , lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God.
God is always right and He is the Father of all who come to Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour and coming King.
Men should believe God rather than mankind who are liar's from the womb.
Save yourselves from this evil generation. 1 Corinthians 15 1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 5And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 6After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 7After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. 8And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

[SW6906]

"Not only did the Nazis control healthcare, they also regulated cigarettes, were gun grabbers, animal rights advocates, anti-semites, and death trolls. They had a para-military force [something Obama openly wants]."

You forgot they were rabid environmentalists too.

BTTT!

[kindred]

[You forgot they were rabid environmentalists too.]

The Nazi officers were also occultists and hated The God of Israel and His Christ and all Jews and Christians.
Note that the Jews who hated Israel and supported Israel and who believed Hitler were exterminated first. They did not see the truth nor hear the words the fascist dictator said.
Neither do the left wing fascists of America hear the words the left wing politicians say.
But America will suffer together for their ignorance and arrogance and foolishness.

[kindred]

Correction;
The Nazi officers were also occultists and hated The God of Israel and His Christ and all Jews and Christians.
Note that the Jews who hated Israel and supported Hitlers Germany and who believed him but failed to hear his words were exterminated first. They did not see the truth nor hear the words the fascist dictator said.
Neither do the left wing fascists of America hear the words the left wing politicians say.
But America will suffer together for their ignorance and arrogance and foolishness.

[Yosemitest]

Think about this: ...and there shall be a time of trouble,
such as never was
since there was a nation
even to that same time ...

Ponder this.

Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees,
which is hypocrisy.
For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed;
neither hid, that shall not be known.
Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light;
and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.
And I say unto you my friends,
Be not afraid of them that kill the body,
and after that have no more that they can do.
But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear:
Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell;
yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
... he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.
.... when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers,
take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say:
For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.

And, ponder this.

... when they deliver you up,
take no thought how or what ye shall speak:
for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
For it is not ye that speak,
but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death,
and the father the child:
and the children shall rise up against their parents,
and cause them to be put to death.
And ye shall be hated of all men
for my name's sake:
but he that endureth to the end
shall be saved.

You comments are well stated. But there is "a time of war".
There are worse times coming.
Never forget:
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD,
that I will send a famine in the land,
not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water,
but of hearing the words of the LORD:
And they shall wander from sea to sea,
and from the north even to the east,
they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD,
and shall not find it.

[KitJ]

"You forgot they were rabid environmentalists too."

And anti-Christian pagans.

[TigersEye]

Note that the Jews who hated Israel and supported Hitlers Germany and who believed him but failed to hear his words were exterminated first.

Israel didn't exist until after Nazi Germany was defeated.

[Yosemitest]

I think he's talking about the "House of Israel" as a people,
and not as a nation-state.

[TigersEye]

Could be. Who can tell?

[Impy]

Hitler hated tobacco. Called it “the curse of the red man upon the white.”

And the black, like puff puff Obama.

[AFPhys]

When many use the word “fascist” they are simply using it as a pejorative. When people were calling Bush “fascist”, that was simply a smear. I challenged them to define fascist, and when they were unable to respond, I educated them and they were reduced to calling him monkey instead. Dear Leader has been RULING as a fascist (most recently demonstrated by his town hall antics).”

When I am labeling Dear Leader and Pelosi, etc., Fascist, I am NOT using it as a pejorative. I am attempting to describe as accurately as possible the system of government they espouse and are trying to bring about. I ran into a problem, though, when researching the question.

Nazi vs. Fascist: They don’t want to eliminate “class” in society (They don’t want to be saddled with the same health care as the masses, and have never bashed their rich, “high-class” or “elite” supporters.) That leads to the determination “Nazi” does not describe them as well as “Fascist”.

Now, referring to http://open-encyclopedia.com/Fascism they appear in almost every way to operate PRECISELY as Fascists but never goad people into a frenzy by extolling the virtues of the United States. They are not nationalists in the typical sense of the word. They don’t really do it with racism, either- they merely use that as a pejorative. Their goal seems to be completely “one world” or “globalist” instead in all that they try to do.

To distinguish socialists from communists, refer to http://open-encyclopedia.com/Communism ... Communism, I’ve heard it argued, has never been implemented. Apologies to Marx and Engels, but it is the supporters of communism who make that argument. Communism as it is now defined requires that there be NO “state”.

So, can we properly refer to Dear Leader et al as “Communist”? Here again we run into their definite love of CLASS and elites in society. However, I have not been able to discover a word that describes Fascism without nationalism, or alternatively, with globalism.

Either we stipulate that the “whole world” is the “nation” for Dear Leader et al, or we need a new word for their desired governmental system. I proposed “CommuFascist” earlier for this MORE EXTREME form of Fascism.

The whole point, though, is that whether this philosophy is called CommuFascist, or “Progressive”, analysis reveals that Dear Leader, Pelosi, and ALL these super-liberals are espousing a MORE EXTREME FORM of Fascism. Dear Leader is a “one-world” Mussolini.

We are being generous to these leaders of our nation when we describe them as Fascist, not pejorative. I might be calling them instead, “Progressive” or equivalently, CommuFascist.

[MeekOneGOP]

bump to come back later!

Thanks !

[Yosemitest]

"Progress" is a cover up, a lie, a DAMNED LIE!!!

You comments hit the nail on the head. Obama is clearly FASCIST,
because he espouses government control over all privately owned businesses.

[Yosemitest]

For more on FASCIST Obama...

Contrast and compare.

"No one will fully comprehend
the historical implications and strategy of fascist corporativism
except the true FASCIST manipulator
or the researcher
who is able to slash through the smoke screens
and disguises the fascists set up."

George Jackson, June 21, 1971

Why do you think Obama wants a UNIVERSAL CITIZEN SERVICE (see "Operation Garden Plot ) ?
It's a way around

"federal military forces may not give law enforcement assistance to civil authorities without running afoul of The Posse Comitatus Act. However, Constitutional and statutory exceptions to this prohibition do exist."

UNIVERSAL CITIZEN SERVICE wouldn't fall under those laws, hence they could round up and kill United States Citizens.

Think it couldn't happen?

Think again!