Posted on 08/02/2009 12:58:22 PM PDT by BP2
My first take is that the dates DO match up for 1964 events surrounding the Obama's 1964 divorce.
Here we go:
Ann filed for Divorce Jan. 20, 1964 (Inauguration Day – what are the odds?), and the date was set by the presiding judge for the trial to commence 30 days after Obama SR would have responded to his notification, sent to Cambridge, Mass (Cambridge – what are the odds? ).
Judge Samuel P. King who granted the divorce – last I heard was retired and alive (for now) in his 90s in Hawaii -- MAY or MAY NOT have asked to see the Marriage Certificate. BUT, I bet Judge King asked to see Obama JR's Birth Certificate to confirm Ann's claims that Obama SR was in fact the father. That is “standard” policy to have a Birth Certificate in case the mother asks for child support from the father (or Welfare) later after the divorce. Judge King probably told Ann to produce a birth certificate before or at trial, which would have been sometime in mid- to late-February 1964 HAD Obama SR answered his notice that was sent to Cambridge.
When Judge King wrote the order on Jan. 23, he had his clerk notify Obama SR via what's referred to as a "knock and nail". That is, the postman leaves the notification on the door for (generally) 10 days and retrieves it after that time passes -- signed or unsigned. That order was sent on Jan. 23 via airmail from Hawaii and was probably posted on Obama SR's door Jan. 27-28.
Obama SR's notification was unsigned by him and apparently IGNORED -- either he didn't want to accept it OR he was NOT at that location.
However, Judge King granted the divorce to Ann Obama (which changed back to Ann Dunham) exactly 60 days from when the original order was request by Ann by default.
NOW, my guess is that Judge King asked to see Obama JR’s Birth Certificate before he'd be willing to grant the divorce, either at trial or by default on March 20, 1964. Ann probably didn’t have the birth certificate when she filed on Jan 20. That's when this birth certificate would have been generated -- before trial for the 1964 divorce.
Important side note: the Certificate issue date of Feb 17, 1964, is JUST A FEW SHORT MONTHS AFTER KENYA BECAME INDEPENDENT on Dec. 12, 1963. TO THIS DATE, this may be the only certificate on Kenyan file today if British documents were sent to the UK for archiving leading up Kenya becoming an independent nation.
If you note the date on the Certified Copy, it was created by the Registrar in Kenya on Feb. 17, 1964. The Kenyan Birth Certificate would have been issued in the midst of the divorce -- AFTER the divorce was filed by Ann in Hawaii on Jan. 20, but BEFORE the divorce was granted by Judge King on March 20.
Furthermore, it's quite plausible that once Ann actually had this Kenyan birth certificate in her hands, and the divorce was granted on March 20, her attorney, George Kerr, counseled her on Hawaiian birth certificate "loopholes" and told her how to file for a Hawaiian "Certificate of Delayed Birth" to get Welfare or OTHER support for young Obama as a child of a non-supporting foreign national.
As Hawaiian law allows, that CODB could have been "converted" later to a “Certificate of Live Birth” (long birth certificate) in the 60s or 70s, which would then be a "root document" of the famed “Certification of Live Birth” (short birth certificate on "Fight the Smears") we see today presented as "proof" of birth of Barack Hussein Obama II, reportedly in Hawaii (note: the abstract “Certification of Live Birth” certificate did not exist in Hawaii until November 2001).
I can’t personally vouch for the veracity of the Kenyan birth certificate itself, not knowing how or from whom Orly obtained the birth certificate (the chain of evidence). It may have been obtained quite surreptitiously from the only filed Kenyan birth certificate record copy requested -- likely generated from the 1964 divorce.
It's QUITE possible that all other copies of this Kenyan birth certificate may have been scrubbed from Kenyan archives, but this one may have survived in a lone Vital Statistics office somewhere in Kenya not known about until now.
Supposedly WND has Birth certificates from the time frame this was issued and it looks legit!
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where did you get that information and do you have a link to verify?
bump for later
Yep , you got it my friend.Over at DU they are probably laughing their asses off.
very interesting.
President Biden? Sh*t!
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WOOHOO, I’ll take Biden any day. He loves his country, he isn’t a Pinko Marxist that despises it.
I don’t do links ( I am barely computer literate!) Here is the money quote “WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical. “
You can also examine a correct copy of the Kenyan Constitution of 1963 in post #113.
Can one do this in Kenya? Could the proud new father have tried to make sure his new son (was he the first son?) was registered a Kenyan, even while born in Honolulu? How to lie about the hospital though?
I am thinking that at least at Barack Jr.'s birth, his father had some kind of interest in him, as he was the only child actually named AFTER him...
That shouldn’t be too hard to find out .
Please then, provide a link.
I've been looking over the NYT Archives , and it looks pretty distinct between the status of Colony, Dominion and Republic.
WND is not a great source of fact.
“How are those mangos? ;)”
Delicious!!!
You have no idea!!!
My argument has always been that Eve bit into a mango and not an apple because there is no comparison.
The Bible was wrong.
Thank you for asking.
Since we are at the end of our mango season, I sliced a bunch of them up and put them in the freezer for later. Yummy.
Billings Gazette - June 11, 1964, Billings, Montana
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1st June 1963 - Madaraka Day
is the day Kenya celebrates its internal independence. And the constitution was amended in June 1964 to make it a Republic. The question is what was the name used on official correspondence during the interim period between December 12, 1963 and when the Constitution was amended.
WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical.
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Yes, but are they from the same year, around the same time? That’s what matters. I wish they would post some pictures of the ones they are using for comparison. Anyone know anyone in Kenya born around that time? This will come down to forensic analysis is my guess.
P.S.
Adam might as well have handed Eve a banana.
Not too attractive either.
Thanks so much for posting this on its own ....Too much info is flowing around
Correct you are and the point is to find documents establishing the use of Republic prior to December of 1964.
This is just one instance.
1st June 1963 - Madaraka Day is the day Kenya celebrates its internal independence. And the constitution was amended in June 1964 to make it a Republic. The question is what was the name used on official correspondence during the interim period between December 12, 1963 and when the Constitution was amended.
Link?
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