Posted on 07/29/2009 7:25:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
So... If we can't ask about Obama's birth certificate without being dismissed as nutjob, tinfoil-hat conspiracy theorists, can we ask a few other questions without being maligned solely through the use of childish name calling, silly syllogism and sorry sophistry?
Ok. So let's forget the birth certificate for a moment and ask Mr. Obama a couple of other questions...or are we still allowed to do that?
* Kindergarten records (not even a kindergarten record?)
* Punahou school records
* Occidental College records
* Columbia University records
* Columbia thesis
* Harvard Law School records
* Harvard Law Review articles
* scholarly articles from the University of Chicago
* passport
* medical records
* files from his years as an Illinois state senator
* Illinois State Bar Association records
* baptism records, if any
* adoption records
All missing or otherwise unavilable.
There is no American birth certificate for Obama. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. A COLB is not an original, legal, birth certificate, nor is an ad in the lifestyle section of a local newspaper considered to be a legal birth certificate. Public statements by politicians and bureacrats are not legal birth certificates. Although such things can be considered as evidence, they are not proof. They are hearsay evidence, only. (In fact, Mr. Obama's sister, Maya Soetoro, has a Hawaiian COLB and she was born in Indonesia.)
The COLB from Hawaii is the same document that journalists and activists from both sides, as well as bureaucrats and politicians across the nation are offering as primary support of assertions that Mr. Obama is a natural born citizen of the U.S. If, in fact, he is a legal citizen, it does notnecessarily follow that he is a natural-born citizen. There is a difference. Follow-up question regarding his mother's citizenship status are also valid and do not require a tinfoil hat or a mental illness in order to ask them.
In view of other evidences, in view of his personal and business associations, and in view of Mr. Obama's apparently missing or hidden background and resume, the question about his birth certificate remains valid. In fact, it is the most important question of all.
Assuming there is no legal birth certificate (and at this point in time and in view of the lack of an original birth certificate, it can only be assumed that there isn't one), this means that the Electoral College never verified his eligibility before they voted for him. It means that FEC never verified his eligibility. It means that the DNC never verified his eligibility. It means that the state legislatures and state governors who signed off on the results of the Electoral College never verified his eligibility. It means that the House and Senate never verified his eligibility. 'Eligibility' meaning, in this case, that no one has actually *seen* an original, legal, 'long form' American birth certificate for Mr. Obama.
In all, it means that The Constitution has been effectively nullified either thorough incompetence or by corruption at every step of the political process. It means that American social and political contracts are completely broken down. This is why the question is so important.
The question remains valid. Where is the - original - birth certificate?
Conspiracy theories, tinfoil hats, mental illness and even rascism are not a requirement for asking such questions. In fact, such accusations against innocent Americans who are simply asking questions of their leadership tell us something about American discourse and freedom that should send shivers down your spines.
For the judicial system at all levels to declare that any American citizen has no standing to file a suit requesting to verify any elected official's qualifications says other things about America that should give you pause.
see also: http://obamaism.blogspot.com/
The Illegal Alien’s big problem is that he, as shown here earlier at:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2303000/posts
post 46, by 2dDivisionVet, is that he couldn’t become a naturalized citizen if he was born in Kenya. Hence, assuming his Kenya birth, the giga slut Stanley Ann had to prepare a fraudulent non-birthing facility Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth falsely showing he was born in Hawaii and enabling him to claim American citizenship. For the same reason, IMHO, he could never attempt later to be naturalized; he had to keep up the scam.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2303000/posts
comment 1.
It could easily be a genuine Hawaiian cetificate of Live Birth fraudulently filled out by his mother. See:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2303000/posts
post 1.
And does anyone think Congress will impeach? HA! That great “constitutional” scholar Senator Byrd (gag) couldn't even bring himself to convince Bill Clinton after he said he would if they could produce the evidence. Guess what. They produce the evidence and Senator Byrd still didn't vote for impeachment.
Don't get me wrong. I think it is VERY important to air out where exactly is Obama’s birth certificate, social security numbers, grades, etc.; especially after being promised “open government”. Heck, I just read a book complaining about George Bush only having “Cs”, yet no one can tell us Obama’s grades. But you will never be able to impeach him or legally challenge him. Our society has become too corrupt.
You are right on that but I honestly think we have started something else the corrupt ones weren’t looking for. There’s always a tipping point
I remember the dems using Bush's low grades in college against him until it was learned that Kerry's college GPA was even lower. Lol.
IMO whatever comes out is what some people want to come out. If they wanted to set a precedent that non-native born citizens can now become President (like Arnold) then they would force this issue because there is definitely something askew in Obama's background since he's willing to spend a million bucks on lawyers to keep it quiet.
We live in a fun house, and it's not fun.
“nationals and citizens...AT BIRTH” = “natural born”
That's how I see it too. If he was born in HI then I think it's game over, he is eligible to be President regardless of the citizenship of the parents. The Constitution does not define it, and the US Code seems to say that an anchor baby would be fully able to run. (Does anyone have info that an anchor baby couldn't run?) If it could be showed that he was born in Kenya, or anywhere else outside of the US, it gets more tricky.
If his mother, 18 at the time of his birth, was overseas with her man, Obama Sr., in his native country, then BO’s mom did NOT fulfill the 5 year requirement for residency after the age of 14 listed in the law above.
This assumes he was born overseas (which is fine), but I'm not sure how he fails if you are referring to subsection "g" from your post 128. That says in part: "(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years" (emphasis added)
The mother was present in the US for five years (say from the age of 13-17), and two of those years were after 14.
I'm not sure. IF we had hardcore Constitutional evidence that he was not eligible to be President, then I don't see how the SCOTUS could refuse to hear the case (it probably could be directly submitted to them without having to go through the lower courts first). I remember that the last thing in the universe they wanted to do was get involved with Bush v. Gore, but they felt they HAD to because of the importance of the subject. I would think this would be on the same level, but who knows? :)
And does anyone think Congress will impeach? HA!
I thought about that too, but came to an interesting problem. In this case they could only impeach "the President", and our whole case would be that he is NOT the President. LOL!
bumperoo!
I thought about that too, but came to an interesting problem. In this case they could only impeach "the President", and our whole case would be that he is NOT the President. LOL!
ROTFLOLOL! That's hilarious. That line is so good it will probably be swiped and end up on Letterman.
Happy to see you posting, FK. You've been missed.
Here’s my GUESS below:
If a president were found to have been ineligible for the office, then he is automatically NOT president. It wouldn’t be a matter of impeaching him.
I think it would be a matter of the vice president simply taking over. I believe the current reading on succession says that ANYTHING that incapacitates the president results in the elevation of the VP until the incapacity is removed. Ineligibility could not be removed.
Also, the TEAM of Biden and Obama ran, so all of those winning votes were also his.
Imho, this would require the involvement of the courts, and at the level of legal interpretation and not at the level of the chief justice being presiding judge over an impeachment.
A strict reading of the Constitutional language does mean Biden already is acting President, doesn't it?
Would that explain a few of ol' Plugs' weird Al Haig moments in the foreign policy arena, lol?
You are correct. I read the 14year old section a bit too fast, and came up with 5 instead of 2.
Thanks.
I’m really happy about this - and somewhat surprised.
The fact that MSM is picking up on it, and regular type folks are discussing it at the water cooler means one thing - that alot of people, perhaps way more than I would have predicted, still take the letter of the Constitution and the intent of the founders seriously.
If we stick to the law, understand the law, and have good law, that can only be a good thing.
It’s when we abandon the law, and start executing people without trials, and ignoring search warrant requirements, things like that, that we have alot to worry about!
Remember, if Joe Biden takes over and something happens, Nancy Pelosi is just a heart beat away.
See above. If Joe is out of commission then we get Nancy. Does any of us want Nancy as President? What next? Barney Frank as VP?
It’s not like Obama or Joe are any better.
At least Joe has to pretend to be a patriot. I’d rather have him in charge, to be honest with you.
I wonder about that too. If the Obamination is ineligible, then perhaps under the Twelfth Amendment John McCain received the majority of valid Electoral votes for the office of President and he would in fact BE President now. Biden would remain as Vice President because he was duly and specifically elected as such and was eligible. Now THAT would be funny. :)
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