Barack Obama Presidential Library, Teleprompter World Headquarters, Record Depository and Transparency Center
Posted on 07/29/2009 7:25:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
So... If we can't ask about Obama's birth certificate without being dismissed as nutjob, tinfoil-hat conspiracy theorists, can we ask a few other questions without being maligned solely through the use of childish name calling, silly syllogism and sorry sophistry?
Ok. So let's forget the birth certificate for a moment and ask Mr. Obama a couple of other questions...or are we still allowed to do that?
* Kindergarten records (not even a kindergarten record?)
* Punahou school records
* Occidental College records
* Columbia University records
* Columbia thesis
* Harvard Law School records
* Harvard Law Review articles
* scholarly articles from the University of Chicago
* passport
* medical records
* files from his years as an Illinois state senator
* Illinois State Bar Association records
* baptism records, if any
* adoption records
All missing or otherwise unavilable.
There is no American birth certificate for Obama. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. A COLB is not an original, legal, birth certificate, nor is an ad in the lifestyle section of a local newspaper considered to be a legal birth certificate. Public statements by politicians and bureacrats are not legal birth certificates. Although such things can be considered as evidence, they are not proof. They are hearsay evidence, only. (In fact, Mr. Obama's sister, Maya Soetoro, has a Hawaiian COLB and she was born in Indonesia.)
The COLB from Hawaii is the same document that journalists and activists from both sides, as well as bureaucrats and politicians across the nation are offering as primary support of assertions that Mr. Obama is a natural born citizen of the U.S. If, in fact, he is a legal citizen, it does notnecessarily follow that he is a natural-born citizen. There is a difference. Follow-up question regarding his mother's citizenship status are also valid and do not require a tinfoil hat or a mental illness in order to ask them.
In view of other evidences, in view of his personal and business associations, and in view of Mr. Obama's apparently missing or hidden background and resume, the question about his birth certificate remains valid. In fact, it is the most important question of all.
Assuming there is no legal birth certificate (and at this point in time and in view of the lack of an original birth certificate, it can only be assumed that there isn't one), this means that the Electoral College never verified his eligibility before they voted for him. It means that FEC never verified his eligibility. It means that the DNC never verified his eligibility. It means that the state legislatures and state governors who signed off on the results of the Electoral College never verified his eligibility. It means that the House and Senate never verified his eligibility. 'Eligibility' meaning, in this case, that no one has actually *seen* an original, legal, 'long form' American birth certificate for Mr. Obama.
In all, it means that The Constitution has been effectively nullified either thorough incompetence or by corruption at every step of the political process. It means that American social and political contracts are completely broken down. This is why the question is so important.
The question remains valid. Where is the - original - birth certificate?
Conspiracy theories, tinfoil hats, mental illness and even rascism are not a requirement for asking such questions. In fact, such accusations against innocent Americans who are simply asking questions of their leadership tell us something about American discourse and freedom that should send shivers down your spines.
For the judicial system at all levels to declare that any American citizen has no standing to file a suit requesting to verify any elected official's qualifications says other things about America that should give you pause.
see also: http://obamaism.blogspot.com/
I suspect the other records will probably make him look bad, which is why he won't release them. Unfortunately, he is under no legal or constitutional obligation to do so, and judging by the last election, very few voters care whether or not he does. Hence continuing to demand those records ad nauseum will not bear any fruit and is a collasal waste of time.
I suggest you move on to something more likely to yield results, like attacking his policies.
No one has said the COLB is even legit.
What a nice textbook example of the tactic of burden shifting!
FYI, when a person makes an assertion, the burden is on him to prove he's correct, not on others to prove he is incorrect.
Nevertheless, I will indulge you and cite caselaw anyway, even though the burden of proof is on you.
From U.S. v. Kim Wong Ark:
"...every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
"III. The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established.
as I am one of the most frequent posters on this subject, next to pissant, and have done a lot of reading on
Unfortunately for you, the quality of the reading one does is more important than the quantity.
No one except the state of Hawaii.
Barack Obama Presidential Library, Teleprompter World Headquarters, Record Depository and Transparency Center
Are you cleared for Crypto?
Yes, but what I said was that it might be a different father from the one on the "certificate of live birth" and the one Obama claims. Being a proven liar (one more time) is a different issue than being a bastard.
...a natural-born American citizen and a complete fraud...
He is a fraud in many ways. He lies all the time.
I wonder why Rahm Emmanuel made that trip to Kenya last year?
Omana has other scandals related to Afica. Link: Jerome Corsi, anti-Obama author, detained in Kenya
Emanuel also might have cleaned up Hussein Obama Senior's paperwork in Kenya.
By the same token, it's a colossal waste of your time to bother reading these threads, right? I suggest you move on to something more likely to yield results, like attacking his policies.
....and how do you know that I don't walk and chew gum at the same time?
Once upon a time, liberals "advised" us to Move On, something like it was only about sex. This is when MoveOn.org was created. Well' I'm sure you know how this turned out.
I guess he’s like the prom queen who wins by knocking off all her competitors with rumors, stealth, and meanness. Can he ever really relax and bask in this position, knowing that ACORN and other subterfuge pulled it off for him? It’s almost as though he has to verbally reassure HIMSELF that he really isn’t dreaming and that he actually inhabits the White House. But I wonder if the satiation of living large in the W.H. will set in, and it will be old hat for him before long. Wish I knew what psychiatrists know about narcissism. Will he overreach even MORE because he’s finding out that Americans can only be pushed so far?
?If true, HOW would he be removed from the White House?? In handcuffs.
Probably not. That Racial
Thang dontcha know.
LOL. BS, bro, BS
And...so what? Is this a nation of laws, or of men? If he is proven ineligible to be POTUS, what would you want to happen?
No, he can never, ever truly relax, because he knows in his heart that he came to power through lies, misrepresentation, subterfuge, and mass marketing to an ill-informed electorate.
He also has the threat of the traditional American system of government hanging over his head. He can't really get away with the sort of things that go on in South America, and he knows it. Push The People too far, and they will have your head, one way or another.
He also knows in his heart that his Socialist policies are so much utopian dogma and theories that do not work in the real world. He's finding out quickly that when far-left ideology meets The Real World, far-left ideology crumbles, every time.
It's got to be a helluva position to find oneself in. Even the perks and supreme power of being US President won't protect him from what's coming. And, it is coming, just as surely as night follows day. No, he'll never be able relax, because he's a fraud. A charlatan. And he knows this to be true in his own heart.
By this time next year, he's going to look old and haggard from the external and internal pressures. Hell, he may even need a suicide watch by that time, it'll be so bad.
Read it and weep: http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86757.pdf
By this time next year, he's going to look old and haggard from the external and internal pressures. Hell, he may even need a suicide watch by that time, it'll be so bad.
The $100/lb. waygu beef is turning to dust in his mouth. Soon he won't enjoy the taste of anything.
I am certain BO sleeps with one eye open.
RE “And...so what? Is this a nation of laws, or of men? If he is proven ineligible to be POTUS, what would you want to happen? “
What do you mean by proven? You mean like Dan Rather and Bush?
If it is true that, according to the Constitution, to be President a person must be a "natural born citizen," and if it is true that the two requirements for being a "natural born citizen" are 1) being born in the U.S. and 2) both parents must be U.S. citizens, then is it not therefore true that Obama is ineligible for the Presidency because his Kenyan father was a British subject and held no U.S. citizenship?
If this is true, it doesn't matter where Obama was born. The fact his father was not a U.S. citizen precludes his being President. Period.
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