Posted on 07/27/2009 11:12:35 AM PDT by Danae
Ok here is a theory.
To preface what follows, I was born in Hawaii in 1969. I have both my long form BC and my COLB from that state.
My COLB was printed for me at my mothers request in a letter that was received (and confirmed by computer records by the Vital Stats office in the Hawaiian Dept of Health in Honolulu) and my COLB that I received should have had the date of Mar.6 2000. It states Mar. 6 2007 (!).
Stick with me through what follows.
Lets just say that in 2007 when Barry was really getting into running for President that he was facing some questions from the black community, which was indeed the case. The question in the black community was this: Is he black enough? Barry is 50% white, 44% Arab and 6% Black from the breakdown that I have repeatedly seen. So the black community isn’t sure they can support this guy because he is half white, and we have all heard the condescension that Black people have given to mulatto children. Certainly in my lifetime I can remember some rather racist black kids riding the mulatto kids I knew. Barry is most definitely Mulatto.
Ok so he has a problem with convincing the Black community to support him, and he NEEDS their support, and that of ACORN, the two go hand in hand.
So, Barry goes back to Hawaii on vacation, visits grandma. Grandma is VERY well connected in Honolulu. You don’t get to the position of VP of Hawaii’s largest bank and NOT be connected. In Hawaii connections are everything. With connections, you can do just about anything, a favor is a favor, and Grandma likely had more than just a few to pull in. Thats just how the islands work. I am not going to try and explain it more than that, it would take too long. But I have connected family on Kauai to this day, so let’s just stipulate that I know what I am talking about.
Back to the story. Barry needs to solidly convince a lot of Black people that he has the creds to run from the Black community, to counter his detractors on the whole Black enough issue.
A COLB stating African would do that pretty convincingly. Grandma pulls a few strings and gets Barry a COLB that states African, and is actually a real document from the State of Hawaii because it indeed came from there, but under some false circumstances. Mainly that his race was African, when clearly it wasn’t, he had a White Mother. If anything, original COLB would have said Negro or Black. That might not be enough to counter the white half of his genetic make up in the Black Community, but stating “AFRICAN” WOULD. But I don’t think hid long form says Negro or Black, I think it classifies him as Caucasian.
So it is a “legit” document that was printed under false circumstances. I am theorizing that it was printed by someone in the Vital Statistics Office, but as my OWN COLB shows, by the messed up date, that anyone who knew how to do it could have printed one up with the information of choice, then put the seal on it folded it, and sent it on its way. The Date stamp on the Fact Check Document has the date stamp above Onaka’s name, which could only have been printed in the snail mail order room, like mine is. It is ALSO a separate room. There are three printing Machines in that office which could have been used, the front desk, which has a date stamper to the Side of Onaka’s stamp (also printed by the machines at the same time as the rest of the Document is printed), and the internet order area, which also has the stamp to the side, and the oldest machine, which has the date ABOVE Onaka’s stamp. Now I know this because while I was confirming the order date of my own COLB I did a little digging, and the clerk was very informative and helpful. Obama got a COLB that was printed in the Mail Order’s separate room. If it was ordered at the front desk, then it would have been printed there, not in the snail mail room, unless someone was going to change some of the info on it and wanted to conceal that...
Now is the date on the back of the fact check document on or about the same as one of his vacations to the Islands? I was told that it can take up to a month to process orders, but I think he likely got it handed to him on or about the same time he or Grandma ordered it. In reality that doesn’t matter, Grandma could have pulled strings at any time and had it mailed to him.
Now, because the COLB that Barry has is legit looking, all he has to do is make sure his Long Form Birth Certificate NEVER sees the light of day, and that his school records and financial aid applications never see the light of day either. Why? Because his Long form would say that he is Caucasian, and his school records/financial aid, under his Barry Soetoro name show him to be a foreigner from Indonesia. I could go into the whole Immigration status thing, which I do think has some validity to it, and certainly has not been looked at by a Court AS OF YET, so I will leave that alone for now, it could well be he is a citizen, but because of dual citizenship issues, he is not a Natural Born citizen.
But I digress.
OK so he now has his Black enough Street creds, and a “legit” COLB, he should be in the clear right? Only if you assume that the COLB he has was gotten in 2007 was 100% legit, and I have proof that a COLB can have incorrect information in it - Because MINE DOES.
Some time ago, I remember reading that Barry’s lawyer that had seen the document said that he was indeed born in Hawaii, but that his records contained information that would be “embarrassing”. Is Caucasian embarrassing enough? Is lying to the Black Community enough? Is gaining their support with a lie embarrassing enough? Do you think it possible that once this information became public, with the release of a Long Form BC stating he was Caucasian, that the black community would become apathetic to him in part or in whole?
Add to this, Barry describes his grandmother as the rock of his family, as well as describing her as “afraid of Black men”, do you think that she, with her connections, her strength of charachter, and a wayward 17 year old daughter having shown some poor decision making in the recent past from Grandma’s perspective, could have required that her daughter state the race of her child as accurately being predominately white, which he is? I do indeed think so.
Folks, I think that Barry may well have been born in Hawaii, solid evidence of some other place being missing, that he was registered with the office of Vital Statistics as being Caucasian. He states in his book that he HAD all his birth records at one time, why would he need a new COLB in 2007 if that’s the case? Because he needed one that would gain him the support of the Black Community, and indeed they got a real live “African” even better!!
So if this theory is true, do you think that come 2011 that the black community is going to be as fired up about their lying Mulatto pretending to “African” status? Ummm hummmm.
Do you think they would have supported him as strongly as they did in 2008 as a mostly white guy?? As the messiah? As the ONE? I don’t think so. I could be wrong on that... But I don’t think so. Perceptions matter sometimes, and there is a world of difference in perceiving Barry as African and White. All the difference in the world to the Black Community, enough to win the Presidency.
Remember, he only won by a few percentage points. His electoral numbers came from fewer total states that had higher numbers of Blacks in the population.
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Tear the theory apart please!
Obviously, someone is grossly misinformed (or lying). Wonder who, which and why?
1) someone received a document later than they remember receiving it
2) ... well, I've already stuck my foot out on this one so I don't feel like getting both feet off the ground, because there might be a third alternative which I have yet to fathomed.
I am convinced from what the Vital Records lady said (and I gave the phone number so anyone can call and ask the same questions) that the 11/01 designates the date on which the revised form went into use for printing CoLBs. It is not likey that it would have been used a year earlier than it went into use.
Meant to ping you
Thanks for the info. I do not believe that the clerk is correct on the revision number. Mostly because I got my document in 2000.
I am NOT going to back down from the truth.
I have been trying all day to get through to the department. I either get a busy signal, or get lost in the automatic system, which has happened twice.
I repeat, I am not goin gto back down from the truth. My COLB is a document that was ordered in Feb of 2000 by my mother for me. I received it in Mar of 2000. The COLB has a date on the back of it that reads Mar6. 2007 The clerk, and I have her name, could not tell me how this could be, and was willing to send me a new COLB upon sending in my current document.
I can NOT explain the discrepancies. ALL I can do is to continue to state the truth, and REFUSE to back down from the truth.
1) I am not lying.
2) I am not backing down because I am not lying
3)You are not getting the correct information
The 11/01 is a revision NUMBER Not a DATE. I believe a poster earlier in the thread correctly pointed that out.
I am not lying, nor will I back down from what I KNOW to be the truth.
Have a quiet evening.
It’s 1:50 and I am on the phone with the state of Hawaii.
I was referring to the government officials who are making conflicting statements.
Interesting position and approach...thanks for taking the time to document your experiences and perspective on this.
Did she indicate the practice of rolling the date forward, on the stamp machine, by say, 6 years was common?
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HA! Ok I have the same lady on the phone I spoke to last week, she is checking the Rev. Number and what it is and means. I have sent her a scanned front and back of my COLB and she is going to be investigating this in the department for me.
ALSO, she is sending me the RECEIPT that has my moms name on it AND the DATE it was ordered. Take that!
You have no IDEA how much I will enjoy posting THAT document!
So at this point, the State of Hawaii is now involved in explaining my COLB.
Thanks to those who have offered me support in this! To those questioning my honor, stay tuned.
Have a nice evening.
Look we sincerely want to believe you and this document. We have listened to your plaintive cry of honor but, you can’t seem to grasp and admit the odditity of what we have been presented.
If you get all the info we are still going to be left with the question of the date and that will lead to a greater question regarding the integrity of the OHSM.
Nope, she said that it would have had to be done deliberately, its not easy to make a mistake like that she said.
She also said that on the Rev. Number, she was not sure and that she would be taking the scanned documents I just sent her to her supervisors. It is now an issue within the Vital Records Dept.
She told me that she is send me the Receipt for the COLB as it was ordered in 2000. It has my mothers name address and other pertinent details in it as well as the DATE. No other COLB has ever been ordered for me. If one was it would have had to be done with out my knowledge or permission, something only an immediate member of my family could do, and no one has.
THIS COLB has not been out of my possession for any amount of time since 2000 when I got it, as it was sent to my by my mother. I have always known exactly where it was. For about 2 weeks I carried it folded twice and then in half again in my purse in the process of recreating all of My ID in 2000.
She told me she would mail out the reciept today, I expect I should have it either about Saturday this week. When I get it, I will redact my mom’s personal information as well as my own, and leave the rest.
I am assuming that this will be proof enough of my honesty yes?
What YOU don’t seem to get Vendome, is that the oddity is NOT related to ME. I don’t know what the OHSM is, but my WHOLE bloody point ALL ALONG has been that this COLB calls into question documents from The Hawaii Department of Vital Statistics! Did you not read the first post? Have you not been listening!? If there can be a MISTAKE in MINE, you think that the “mistake” could possibly be repeated on propose? Deliberately? Ya think? This stupid COLB of mine is an authentic Document from the State of Hawaii. I am NOT capable of explaining the discrepancies in it! All I know is that I have it and where it came from and the circumstances surrounding it.
You and others smacking my honor and integrity around is not only personally offensive, but it is BY FAR missing the point that this thing might have some larger significance. I don’t blame people for being skeptical, but that does not give ANYONE the right to call me a liar. Ask me to get further documentation, I have and have done so with out anyone asking me to contact the State! I did that voluntarily! I have voluntarily scanned the thing over and over and spent hours trying to get a higher resolution to no avail.
Do you honestly think I would do all that if I could NOT back up what I am saying? Well you have another thing coming.
I will post up the receipt as soon as I get it.
see post 314.
I haven’t gone anywhere. I am watching this thread.
:)
And I do understand the oddity of the whole thing. Otherwise why would I have ever brought it up? There would be no point. It’s otherwise a COLB big deal. But in reality, its a COLB with a LOT of discrepancies in it that should not be there! Its not a forgery, its a real document from Hawaii.
On another thread, while posting two examples BP2 stated that the Certification of Live Birth forms were not issued before November 2001.
That is definatly incorrect.
I’ll find the post from BP2 and you can take it up with him ... BBL
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