Posted on 07/22/2009 7:22:24 PM PDT by Grig
Why don't he Joint Chiefs go to Obama and say "Sir, you must either present a valid full form birth certificate, step down, or we will remove you from office by force."
Isn't it their duty to do something like that? Isn't their accepting orders from Obama potentially carrying out illegal orders?
Wrong, see the 20th amendment. Biden would be acting as President, that is exercising the power of the Presidency, but it would be temporary, until a President qualified.
You said — LOL your starting to lose me as well. If he was not eligible to be President he never was President and can never be president.
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Well..., it’s not that difficult. The question is — “Is Obama President right now?”
If someone says, “I don’t know if he is,” then I know they’ve got a problem with reality... :-)
If someone says, “No, he is not President,” I also know that this one has a problem with reality.
If someone says, “Yes, Obama is President right now,” — then this is a person who does have a grip on reality... :-)
So, that’s the starting point... Obama is President of the United States right now. Any other answer (don’t know, maybe, or no) is simply Obama Derangement Syndrome and a loss on reality.
That’s where I start from. And then next one can say, “If Obama is charged with falsifying and swearing falsely under oath that he is qualified, then he can be Impeached and convicted.” At that point, “Obama is not President.”
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Thus the statement that I made...
But, until “he’s not the President” — “he is the President”... :-)
However... can you even imagine the massive and prolonged race war in this country if he were to be removed?
We've "celebrated diversity" instead of a "melting pot" for so long now that we're reverting to tribalism mixed with racialism and it's just another liberal concept that's gonna fly all apart when something serious like this happens in the future.
Otherwise, we'll all be living in fear, with no freedom of expression with political correctness the rest of our existance!!!
First it was "block busting," then "block voting" (which even the hispanics are eager working at now) and soon it will be "block everything" with GANG-GREEN in league with all of the lousy leftist group thinking tribes!!!
That's easy, he'd go after the cabal behind it all.
And if he is impeached, (not going to happen of course, even if he rapes an intern on the South Lawn), or found ineligible by the Supreme Court, and refuses to vacate the office. Then what? Must the military continue to follow his orders? Must the Secret Service, or the Federal Marshals? All take the same oath to the Constitution. What should they do in that circumstance?
Not if he was a co-conspirator.
“Impeachment is the route.”
Impeachment is for Presidents, not imposters.
You said — They appear to have changed tactics midstream from ignoring it completely to speaking/writing in an effort to make ‘birthers’ appear as nothing but kooks. In the meanwhile, the more they talk about it, the more people become aware of the issue. Doesn’t make a lot of sense as a strategy.
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Yes, it does appear to be a change in strategy and I noted that it was a “change” elsewhere. It seems to be a “developing strategy” actually. You know how some things work... you gradually come upon them or you stumble upon them. I think it may be that way with this, more recently.
I wrote the following elsewhere..., in a thread in which an article was trying to “tag” someone with this label of being a birther, while they were actually trying to distance themselves from it. It was like the article was “using” the birther designation to sidetrack the real issues that were being spoken about, by this conservative.
So, the comment I said elsewhere...
The leftists don’t want the issue to go away. It’s too useful to them. I posted the following in another thread about what someone said is “panic” setting in. What I see, instead, is a “strategy” developing by the leftists...
Well, here’s how it would work..., if you’re a conservative and you have ever said anything about the birth certificate issue, those leftists are going to know about it. And then, let’s say you’re giving some reasoned points on some legislation being pushed by Obama...
If it starts sounding too good or they can’t counter it — then it’s time to shift over to the “Obama birth certificate issue” — and the leftists will be the ones who raise it.
Then they try to paint that person *as* one of those who believes that Obama is not qualified to be President, because he has not shown a proper birth certificate.
At that point, they’ve just gotten you off your points in regards to Obama’s legislation that you’re trying to get out to the public and over into whether you think that Obama is qualified to be President or not.
The public sees and hears this, they forget all about the points you were making on the legislation that Obama is pushing and now the public thinks the whole issue was about whether Obama is qualified to be President or not.
The leftists love to get the conservatives over into that topic, because it means that this particular conservative can’t talk about the legislation that he originally wanted to talk about.
That’s how it works...
And that’s why the leftists are loving the Obama Birth Certificate Issue as a good issue for them to beat on and divert any conversation away from something else.
I think the birther issue is going to be useful to them...
As I said, this appears to be a “developing” strategy right now... (i.e, just recently)
A violation of the constitution has been on going since Bozo took office. I am not talking about the BC business, I am talking about the blatant take over of GM and Chrysler. That is unconstitutional, trying to pass national health care is unconstitutional. There is no mandate or authorization for the fed government to do any of those things, not to mention the myriad of other usurpation of powers that the feds have been doing even before Bozo was elected. I am talking most of our elected officials at the fed level. Certainly Bozo would be up for impeachment by now if we had an unbiased legislature that actually cared about the country and the constitution.
No violation of the constitution? Where have you been?
Then call me Obama Derangement Syndrome..
Because I will not concede he is President until the SCOTIS rules are the Real BC is made permanent.
Reasoning His original attempt at a BC was proven to be a fake. Millions of dollars spent to evade answering the question.
GWB was never the Dems President why does BHO have to be mine until this issue is resolved.
I'll say it again:
If the occupant of the Oval Office is not eligible to the Office of President, he's not the President. The Congress only has the power to remove a President, and only for "treason" (as defined in the Constitution) and "high crimes and misdemeanors." No President, no impeachment by the House nor trial in the Senate.
It would take a separate action and that would have to an impeachment. Biden, AFAIK, is eligible to the Office of President, and Vice President as well.
Yep, that’s precisely one of the definitions that I’ve seen for Obama Derangement Syndrome.
It’s a real malady and reflects detached perception of reality, when it comes to “things Obama”... LOL...
Mind you..., I’m not just saying this to you, only here and now. I’ve said this very thing for a very long time — months and months and this is precisely one of the characteristics that I’ve specifically mentioned.
You said: ... a couple of SEALS go jogging from Pearl Harbor at 3 a.m. and — surprise, surprise — end up right in front of the Birth Records Office in Honolulu.
Unfortunately, I think a criminal act is going to be the only way the document will be made public, if it exists at all. Either a break-in or a kidnapping and extortion plot against an official at the records office. Either way it’ll be a huge problem and the one to blame will be the one individual that refuses to release it and end the mystery.
I just want the truth. And then I want justice to be done.
“Besides, who would the military call on to remove the President? Do you want to know how many formed units are in the D.C. area under Federal control and can move instantly?
Not many”
and the 82nd AB Division is only a few hours away
The weakness of ‘constitutional channels’ is, the federal oligarchs have decidied to not allow any from we the people to have standing to challenge their authority, thus the constitutional contract has been abrogated by one side of the contract and we are now a ruled people, mere taxpayer serfs to the democrat run federal oligarchy making swift end to the old Republic.
I like that sort of thing.
Okay, I’ll put it this way. You think the Joint Chiefs should go to the White House and take out the occupant because you believe he is not eligible to hold the office. I think that is nuts, and that is is anarchy. I think that is banana republic stuff. And I think how appalled I would be if the Joint Chiefs had decided, along with you, that Reagan wasn’t eligible to hold office and so removed him. In simple terms, I don’t want the Pentagon deciding who is and who isn’t eligible to occupy the Oval office. But you do. We will have to agree to differ.
And in Honduras.
LOL its okay I have been called worse.
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