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To: Gordon Greene
“The foregone conclusion follows mainstream education in America: that Evolution is science fact and not science theory.”

Let me help... Evolution is a fact. The Theory of Evolution (a theory) explains the mechanism by which Evolution (a fact) takes place. This is the overwhelmingly dominant paradigm in biological science. There are virtually no credible, credentialed biological scientists - ones who actually work in the field (full disclosure - I am one) that do not embrace Evolutionary Theory. Go ahead and post the list of mechanical engineers and dentists that are creationists, or even the names of the rare biological scientist who have signed on to the Discovery Institutes’s rather misleading position paper - I cannot speak to their motives. But a certain segment of any population simply are going to be contrarian, after all, fully 6% of Americans believe the moon landings were a hoax. Go figure.

5 posted on 07/18/2009 8:00:34 AM PDT by stormer
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To: stormer
Consensus is not a reliable means of garnering truth -- see also anthropogenic global warming.

(Don't leave yourself open for cheap shots.)

Cheers!

6 posted on 07/18/2009 8:12:26 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: stormer
The Theory of Evolution (a theory) explains the mechanism by which Evolution (a fact) takes place.

The Theory of a Flat Earth (a theory) explains the mechanism by which the Flat Earth (a fact) takes place.

The Theory of an Earth centered solar system (a theory) explains the mechanism by which the Earth at the center of the solar system (a fact) takes place.

9 posted on 07/18/2009 8:32:14 AM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: stormer; Gordon Greene
Let me help... Evolution is a fact.

No, it isn't.

The Theory of Evolution (a theory) explains the mechanism by which Evolution (a fact) takes place.

The ToE is an interpretation of the fossil evidence, and only one at that.

There are virtually no credible, credentialed biological scientists - ones who actually work in the field (full disclosure - I am one) that do not embrace Evolutionary Theory.

Which is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Anyone who does not toe the party line is not considered a *real* scientist, a credible, credentialed scientist. It's science by consensus. Toe the party line or lost your credibility, and your job.

But a certain segment of any population simply are going to be contrarian, after all, fully 6% of Americans believe the moon landings were a hoax. Go figure.

And what's that got to do with the discussion?

11 posted on 07/18/2009 8:46:59 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: stormer

Thanks!

Glad you cleared that up for me.


15 posted on 07/18/2009 9:29:05 AM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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To: stormer

Okay, how about this - coming from the viewpoint of someone who considers himself spiritual, but not beholden to any one religion...

I agree with you that things evolve all the time - how can one not agree? Common sense, history, and our own eyes tells us as much. That being said, however, would you not agree that evolution has a design to it, that it is not random, or at least was not random at the outset? I just have a very difficult time beleiving all of this, us human included, are accidental and random in the manner in which we’ve evolved.


16 posted on 07/18/2009 9:30:11 AM PDT by NCPAC (http://darknessrising-steffen.blogspot.com/)
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To: stormer
The Theory of Evolution (a theory) explains the mechanism by which Evolution (a fact) takes place.

Show me a fossil of the step between the first single cell and multi-cellular organism.

Show me a fossil of a 'pre-eye'.

TIA.

18 posted on 07/18/2009 9:34:08 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: stormer

You said — Let me help... Evolution is a fact.

Ummm..., that sounds a lot like the stuff I hear about Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW), too... LOL...

And we all know how *reliable* that is, don’t we... :-)

What is going on with AGW and also with the false worldview of Evolution — is simply — political control and domination over people, nothing more and nothing less...

You can see that so-called “science” (as if that’s something marvelous and miraculous... LOL...) is simply a “tool” used to fool and deceive people. It’s being used exactly that way by the *same kind* of so-called “scientists” who want to “convince” people that there is global warming, that it’s the fault of the people, and that they must accept “control” over their lives because of this “science” [god] that they present to you... :-)


For those who would like to see how AGW is “ram-rodded” down our throats with this kind of line... just see the following...

It’s one thing to gripe and complain about these things and disagree with it, but it’s quite *another* to convince your friends and neighbors and relatives and coworkers...

THEREFORE..., it’s also absolutely necessary for people to know the information in the following documentary. If there were simply *one* video that you could see and/or show people you know... this would be the *one*...


The following is an *excellent* video documentary on the so-called “Global Warming” I would recommend it to all FReepers. It’s a very well-made documentary.

“The Great Global Warming Swindle”

If you want to download it, via a BitTorrent site (using a BitTorrent client), you can get it at the following link.
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3635222/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle
[this is a high-quality copy, of about a gigabyte in size...]

It’s worth seeing and having for relatives, friends, neighbors and coworkers to see.

Also, see it online here...
http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/great_global_warming_swindle.php
[this one is considerably lower quality, is a flash video and viewable online, of course...]

Buy it here...
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000WLUXZE
[this one would be the very highest quality version, on a DVD disk, of several gigabytes in size...]

Also, in split parts on YouTube...

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 1 of 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMA6sszChwQ

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 2 of 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERisgJ3QWjk

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 3 of 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HLVYwmZoxc

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 4 of 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr-AG3BA1Go

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 5 of 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbllTsBHuxk

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 6 of 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyK7C1OrAAo

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 7 of 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrIX8LcAuMQ

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 8 of 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-ZmCDOZbtM


19 posted on 07/18/2009 9:34:27 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: stormer

I have no doubt that there is a *strong correlation* between so-called “scientists” who promote Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) and the so-called “fact” of Evolution....

And we know how reliable they are on AGW, and I’m sure they are just as reliable on the so-called “fact” of Evolution... LOL...


23 posted on 07/18/2009 9:41:42 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: stormer; metmom

This is at least the 2nd liberal moon landing hoax reference to creationism in as many days I’ve seen.

I guess it must be because the 40 year anniversary is Monday. Quite naturally the liberal cultist blogs, pseudo-news are parroting the same failed tired tripe and it gets picked up and regurgitated ad nauseum.

Not a single brain cell firing apparently that alerts the liberals that there simply is no comparison...Metmom has graciously educated the liberal loons time and again here that the vast majority of most groups embrace intelligence and design in science.

If any thing a more accurate analogy would be the moon landing hoax crowd are more likely to be evos and the numbers show it.

“Let me help”?

Ummmm parroting failed cultist tripe isn’t “helping” anyone except perhaps making you appear to be a fool!

And as far as dentists and engineers...how about across the board!

www.dissentfromdarwin.org


38 posted on 07/18/2009 11:40:35 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: stormer

Since life is controlled with information, where do Evolutionary biologists, such as yourself, say that that information comes from?


88 posted on 07/18/2009 3:42:05 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (When do the impeachment proceedings begin?)
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To: stormer

“overwhelmingly dominant paradigm in biological science”

I’d be willing to bet the overall paradigm for biological scientists also includes being left of center politically. It certainly is for political scientist. Does that make that theory of governance the right one?


219 posted on 07/19/2009 4:31:29 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: stormer

“The Theory of Evolution (a theory) explains the mechanism by which Evolution (a fact) takes place. “

Is it theory or is it fact? You seem to say both in one sentence.


287 posted on 07/19/2009 7:11:46 PM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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