Posted on 06/20/2009 6:50:28 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
The human ear is an amazing device. In a recent press release, an MIT engineer said that the ear is “like a super radio with 3,500 parallel channels.”[1] In fact, its design inspired the development of a new space and energy-saving radio receiver chip...
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==It’s hard for me to believe anyone could be that stupid.
You should try looking in the mirror. But then again, you probably wouldn’t understand what you see. Indeed, you would probably find the experience positively blissful.
I always contemplate the complexity of the human eye. According to the Darwinists, A bunch of cells got together one day and said, “We believe there is a medium as yet undetected which we will refer to as light. We believe if we organize ourselves properly, we can detect it and it will reveal our surroundings at great distance without even having to touch it. Now, what we need is for a bunch of you cells to arrange yourselves into what we will call a lens. The diameter and thickness of which needs to be very precise. This light will pass through and hit some other cells at a precise focal length and we will be able to detect it. Next, we need a processing system to interpret what was detected and and a way to transmit the information there. This information will not be used by us, but the processing cells will direct the information to other cells to take apropriate action.”
Pretty damn good organizational skills for a bunch of cells, wouldn’t you say?
Your reply caused an involuntary, hearty and prologued LOL, followed by several aftershocks. And now that you mention it, it really is that silly. LOL funny silly!
Mention my name when you get there - you’ll get a seat in the front.
Examples? You mean radio carbon dating? Fossil evidence?
How is it verifiable that these testing devices are accurate? Where is the infallible constant which proves the the theory?
Yes that right; I said THEORY.
For you the science of life is settled, because it makes sense to you. But for those of us who can't deny the fallibility of our own species, we realize that there is something or someone far greater than ourselves, who is responsible for our being, and of whom is far beyond a simple explanation of just a "happy accident of chance" in the prime conditions for life within the cosmos.
For us, it's hard to believe that anyone could be so stupid as to not see the exact same evidence we see, and still maintain the contrary.
Define your terms such as "stark reality of existence".
Demonstrate how those on this thread, with whom you disagree, are avoiding it; and then describe who they are using supernatural explanations to avoid said "stark reality".
You're talking like a homosexual activist or AGW proponent.
Using ad hominem strawmen to attack one's ideological opponents, while presenting oneself as an apostle of logical thought and empiricism, is worse than silly.
Cheers!
A reality based on empirical evidence that does not require supernatural explanations for unexplained phenomena or provide for a psychic existence beyond death.
Demonstrate how those on this thread, with whom you disagree, are avoiding it...
By utilizing said supernatural explanations, i.e. Young Earth Creationism.
...and then describe who they are using supernatural explanations to avoid said "stark reality".
I have no idea what you intended to say...
You're talking like a homosexual activist or AGW proponent. Using ad hominem strawmen to attack one's ideological opponents...
Nice steaming pile of hypocrisy there, eh? Cheers yourself!
Why do you feel that the supernatural is invoked as an "explanation for unexplained phenomena" ? Most of morality and the Bible are not there "to explain things" but to give detailed instructions as to conduct -- societal, personal, and ritualized. Compare and contrast that to the Greek mythologies (with their myriad gods) where drunkenness and sex with temple prostitutes are acts of worship. That sounds much more "invented" to me than a list of "Thou shalt nots" and injunctions to cancel all debts every 50 years.
The main "unexplained phenomena" --at least, of the sort I think you have in mind -- I can think of in the Old Testament are Creation, the pains of childbirth, and rainbows. Again, ontrast that to Greek mythology. There is a great deal of *explicit, individualized* anthropomorphism in the Greek myths; and such myths are directly tied to explanations for everyday phenomena after the fact, rather than predictions of major irregularities *before* they occur.
And it is fascinating that you use the word stark. Why do you use that word, how does it add to the validity of your statements?
By utilizing said supernatural explanations, i.e. Young Earth Creationism.
Why does this get under your skin so much?
I have no idea what you intended to say...
Sorry 'bout that, late night typo. The correctly-typed-in quesion is :
...and then describe why they are using supernatural explanations to avoid said "stark reality".
Nice steaming pile of hypocrisy there, eh? Cheers yourself!
No pile of hypocrisy. You began by objecting to some religious people's attitudes, and rather than laying out what was wrong and engaging them, you engaged in ad hominem as though that were enough to demonstrate the fallacy in their position. (That is where the resemblance to AGW and homosexual activists comes in). I, on the other hand, did not attack you personally: I directly asked questions so that you would flesh out your arguments, rather than going right to your conclusions. And pointing out logical flaws in the argument of one's opponents is not hypocritical. But holding oneself out as the champion of empiricism and logic, and then using emotionally-laden words such as "stark" does tend to look hypocritical.
Incidentally, what is there which is "un-stark" about facing eternal fire in Hell? Or of the worldwide symbol of the religion being an instrument of torture, or of the religion's founder being unjustly executed ON said instrument of torture?
Cheers!
Not all reality is empirical, but the irrefutable stark reality of its existence remains.
“Some smart engineers are learning how to benefit mankind by mimicking God’s amazing biological designs...Ping!”
And somehow it surprises you that “observation” is part of scientific study?
So when man tried to invent a machine that flies, you take it as some “creation science” vindication that we looked at birds, rather than turtles to try and figure out how to do it?
“creation science” does not have a monopoly on belief in God. However, actual scientists and engineers DO have a monopoly on intelligence and understanding of our physical world.
Now go play “scientist” but be back in time to clean your room.
Epic
Scads of other people besides scientists have an understanding of our physical world -- they just haven't categorized it mathematically in a way which allows them to predict and control it as successfully.
Not just doctors -- even traditional Chinese medicine or chiropractors can get things right occasionally.
Or weatherpeople -- I'm still looking for the legendary clip on The Weather Channel where the female weatherbabe is having to say the words "Typhoon Longwang" on the air...
Cheers!
“Scads of other people besides scientists have an understanding of our physical world — they just haven’t categorized it mathematically in a way which allows them to predict and control it as successfully.”
No doubt you are correct....but the context of the discussion was between “Creation Scientists” and real scientists.....
As you rightfully point out many many people do and have very detailed understanding of the physical world - however NONE of these people are “creation science” types - which was the context of my point. I’m sure you understand it now.
I stand corrected.
“Not all reality is empirical...”
I would say that, almost by definition, it is.
LOL, child.
The use of the word stark is often used by atheists, to show that they are bold, unflinching, facing a bleak world with a unique courage, as opposed to the weak, timid religionists, who need squishy comfort and pie in the sky.
But such a construct is ITSELF mythological: since the prospect of being roasted alive forever is even more stark than oblivion (Sartre notwithstanding). And Prometheus (for whom the publishing house catering to "brights" was named) was explicitly mythological.
Second: you moved the goalposts, and again enganged in begging the question -- as you are assuming without proof that all the supernatural is made up.
Third: You apparently didn't even consider the contrast with a theology which everyone here appears to agree is man-made: the Greco-Roman pantheon; and the differences in the explanations and moral requirements.
Fourth: no mention of how namby-pamby the crucifixion was, either.
Do you read anything besides the "puzzles for the pious" pamphlets one can order from the back pages of the comic books?
Cheers!
You don't think that we consider the science? We do! However, we don't buy into something that can't be proven simply because it's plausible.
We do however accept by faith, that there is a Higher power, or Grand designer, because the miraculous evidence that is all around us stands as a stark reminder that there is far more to understanding creation, than we will ever grasp by our finite minds.
And don't bother telling me that Science doesn't change due to new discoveries.
The simple fact that Eisenstein changed our understanding of "Gravity" with his theory of Special relativity, has still got the scientific community in a state of confusion!
For those who profess to know so much, they can't even get a definitive handle on something that has been studied for better than 400 years.
And you dare say that science contains all the answers? All science does is raise more questions for us to wonder and postulate over!
But then, that is exactly why I like science. I just don't happen to believe that scientist are equal to or smarter than GOD. But then again, I don't think they are any smarter than myself either.
And Ludvig von Boltzhoven, with his 2nd Law of Thermal Documents, and Ninth Symphony (Ode to Joules), confused things even more!
Cheers!
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