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1 posted on 06/14/2009 3:43:56 PM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD
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2 posted on 06/14/2009 3:46:01 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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Shouldn’t this have a barf alert? At least the first meaty paragraph seemed to show it did.


3 posted on 06/14/2009 3:49:20 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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well here’s my thoughts and experiences of national health care from what I have lived though.

3 years for my mother to get an operation to remove her varicose veins and that was years ago now the waiting list is even longer.
from the time my mother went to get checked for cancer from the time to her getting the results.

yes 9 months later, in that time she could have died form cancer

a friend had to wait 6 months to get an operation on his knee and that was classed as a short time

taxes are extremely high to pay for this crap

many of the better Docs and nurses have left the country to go to other countries where the pay is better and the work place is better.

there is no one room or two bed rooms like here in America instead you can have one TV in a room with 10 beds the privacy comes from the curtain when the doc comes round to check you.

one ward with 10 beds has one phone so do not expect a call form a loved one unless you go to a pay phone and phone them

the list is endless and yes that country is the UK so when I hear from those on the left about great national health care is and who have never lived it then I look at them and shake my head in disbelief at their sheer ignorance and lack of brains.

Just because bozo the clown says it is good does not mean it is good and maybe when these cultists or sheep wake up they will realise this.


6 posted on 06/14/2009 3:52:01 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick queer sham--- end racism end affirmative action)
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‘It is becoming increasingly more difficult to dispute the fact that Canada spends less money on health care to get better outcomes.”

Huh? FIRST time I’ve ever read an article saying the Canadian health system was good, EVER. Must be a political hack.

As for taxes thats hogwash as well. Perhaps if you compare Canada to New York its the same. Not even close down here in Florida and many other areas.


8 posted on 06/14/2009 3:53:49 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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If a Canadian goes outside of the country to get services that are deemed medically necessary, not experimental, and are not available at home for whatever reason (e.g., shortage or absence of high tech medical equipment; a longer wait for service than is medically prudent; or lack of physician expertise), the provincial government where you live fully funds your care. Those patients who do come to the U.S. for care and pay out of pocket are those who perceive their care to be more urgent than it likely is.

But...if the criticisms of the Canadian health care system are "myths"....then why are Canadians traveling to the US for treatment at all? In the course of this "debunking" she begs many more questions: Why does Canada lack "high tech medical equipment" for example? What does this say about the Canadian system?

National health care works a whole lot better if you have a ten-times-larger neighbor to the south that you can use as a waiting room.

9 posted on 06/14/2009 3:54:28 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("I'm sure this goes against everything you've been taught, but right and wrong do exist"-Dr House)
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I have one question for the author: Does she go back to Canada for all of her health care needs?


10 posted on 06/14/2009 3:55:21 PM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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Again with Canadian liberals telling us how successful the Canadian system is as if it existed in a vacuum.

Fact: Canada's proximity to America and the success of America's research, development, and expertise (all of which costs money that Americans pay for) out of the equation, Canada's system would fail.

When America's healthcare is socialized, the entire world will feel the pain.

And what's with the nonsense about their taxes being only slightly higher than ours? Well hell, I would hope so. We pay for their defense.

11 posted on 06/14/2009 3:56:19 PM PDT by PressurePoint
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Goodness, where to start? She contradicts herself in a number of areas, ignoring statistics that she quoted earlier in the piece to make some other, unrelated point.

As as an example she says when talking about waiting for health care in Cananda, ...

"However, the wait has nothing to do with money per se, but everything to do with the lack of radiation therapists"
There are waiting periods because of lack of practitioners, and there is a lack of practitioners precisely because the government has removed the free market from health care decisions and doctor compensation.

She goes on to argue,

"from a purely statistical standpoint, there are enough doctors in Canada".

Pure rubbish. If there were enough doctors in practice, and if they had the appropriate equipment, there wouldn't be any waits, or more accurately "rationing" (a term she avoids at all cost) of health care in Canada.

Lastly, it's disingenuous to talk about "average after-tax income" when comparing taxes in US vs. taxes in CA. There's a far greater percentage of Americans paying NO income tax, compared to the percentage of Canadians paying more income tax. Without acknowledging that central point, you haven't much legitimacy upon which to make your other arguments.

13 posted on 06/14/2009 3:57:45 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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So Canadian taxes are "slightly" higher in Canada? There is the little point that the United States is the defender of the world (danged near) and the charity for the world (danged near). Canada cannot protect its own soldiers in the field (danged near).

And what about Canadians who die of preventable diseases on waiting lists, unless they can afford to come to the US for prompt and effective care.

More journalistic garbage.

Congressman Billybob

Latest articles, "Stayin' Alive, Ah, ha, ha, ha...."

17 posted on 06/14/2009 4:07:27 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (q)
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This person lies! I’ve spoke with Canadian friends about the difference in taxes and wait times and I have never been told that their taxes are equal nor has a single one ever told me that if they had something life threatening would they hang around and wait. A lady I know who is Canadian has a really bad knee that she injured in High school. They told her she qualifed for one except for one thing, she is not 90yo yet and once she is 90 she can have the knee replacement! Since she is in her 40’s she has 50 more years of pain to go through. Last I spoke to her she was planning to try to cross the border for it ASAP.


23 posted on 06/14/2009 4:12:41 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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In actuality, taxes are nearly equal on both sides of the border. Overall, Canada's taxes are slightly higher than those in the U.S. However, Canadians are afforded many benefits for their tax dollars, even beyond health care (e.g., tax credits, family allowance, cheaper higher education), so the end result is a wash.

Don' cha' love Doublespeak. Slightly higher taxes, but we get tax credits! Duh!

31 posted on 06/14/2009 4:19:43 PM PDT by Clock King
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The only thing you need to know about Canadian health care is this:

Private medical facilities are technically illegal under Canadian law, and yet the health care system is so dysfunctional that some provincial government actually contract with those facilities for non-emergency care.

37 posted on 06/14/2009 4:24:23 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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Oh non, non cette merde encore.
40 posted on 06/14/2009 4:36:33 PM PDT by caveat emptor
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The United States Goverment pays more money per person for Medical care that the the Canadian Government does.
42 posted on 06/14/2009 4:45:38 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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Socialized medicine: the type of service you’d expect from the DMV or the post office.


43 posted on 06/14/2009 4:50:19 PM PDT by Tzimisce (Socialism is the worst kind of Pollution.)
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Propaganda article.

Expect loads of this bullsh*t as Obama and the Rats seek to Sovietize one seventh of the US economy.


44 posted on 06/14/2009 4:58:56 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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I lived in Canada for 13.5 months in the late 1980’s. The Quebec health care system may be described as follows: If you get sick during normal business hours, except for the fact that the physicians offices are seedier than in the U.S., you can’t tell the difference between it and being on a decent, but not great, HMO. If you get sick any other time, you can’t tell the difference between it and being one of the uninsured poor in the U.S. who have to use emergency rooms as primary care facilities and wait for hours in triage queues.

That’s for routine illnesses. There are horror stories about iatrogenic infections in Quebec hospitals.


48 posted on 06/14/2009 5:23:21 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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Natasha Richardson couldn’t be reached for comment.


51 posted on 06/14/2009 5:36:04 PM PDT by burnitup
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This guy is a dope.
My family Doctor arranged an appt. for me to see a Specialist, for evaluation. The appt. eight months in the future did not make sense. The numeric day did not match the day of the week! The Specialist’s nurse then informed silly me the appt was not this year, but next year, 20 months into the future!


53 posted on 06/14/2009 5:41:02 PM PDT by Steven Tyler
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The Canada government rations health care by limiting key gateways to further care. That is one reason so many Canadians go to the US for MRI’s. Anyways, to appease the voters, the Government agreed to provide extra funds for 5 key procedures.
Guess what, we now have a waiting list/shortages for the tests/procedures preceeding those 5 key procedures.


54 posted on 06/14/2009 5:44:42 PM PDT by Steven Tyler
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