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The Big Collapse Could Be Very Near
Economic Policy Journal ^ | 5/31/09

Posted on 06/01/2009 1:38:05 PM PDT by FromLori

The Federal Reserve appears to be increasingly nervous about the long term bond market. This is serious. How panicked are they? After leaking a story on Friday, they are back at it on Sunday.

The Federal Reserve leaked to CNBC's Steve Liesman on Friday that they weren't targeting long rates. Why such a leak? Probably because the Fed did not want to appear impotent in controlling the long rate. So they put out the word through Liesman that they weren't targetting the long rate. Can you imagine what would happen to the markets if it sensed long rates were beyond the control of the Fed?

The Fed can of course print money to buy up every Treasury bond in existence, but the inflationary ramifications would be Zimbabwe like, and crush the dollar on international currency markets. Are we near the phase where all hell breaks loose? I have never even answered, maybe, to this question before. It's always been, "no." Now it's maybe.

What really has me spooked is another article out this afternoon (on a Sunday) that Drudge has even picked up. It's a Reuters story by Alister Bull. The headline: Federal Reserve puzzled by yield curve steepening.

Translation, the Fed doesn't know what is going on, but they are really scared.

Here's more from Bull:

(Excerpt) Read more at economicpolicyjournal.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhoeconomy; cwii; economy; fed; second100days; thecomingdepression
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To: wastoute

I predict we will have a second civil war, the seeds have been planted.


21 posted on 06/01/2009 1:52:17 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Live Long And Prosper!"-Mr. Spock:)=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: FromLori

I saw a fellow on FoxNews recently saying the same thing. The title of the segment was The Greatest Depression. He said the big harumph!!! was coming. A total collapse of the dollar. Funny how all the doom and gloomer conservatives think Barry is a shoe in and how the country will gladly hand over their properity for free healthcare and a job pressure cleaning a rusty bridge.. After the sheeple can’t afford a night out at Applebees once a week, Barry will be lucky to make it out his first term. We love our consuming, our IPODS, our dinners out, 5 dollar beers, trips to the local amusement park. Once those days are over, the can of whoop as* will be opened with a ferocity that will make BDS look mild. The African American community will be set back 60 years. A mealnine rich person won’t sniff the Whitehouse again unless he’she on staff there for 100 years. This grand experiment in white guilt will end in a thud with 15-20% unemployment and crime at record levels.


22 posted on 06/01/2009 1:52:18 PM PDT by pburgh01
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To: GWB00
An innocent and sincere question. If this is a potential panic moment, why is the Dow up 221 pts today?

(1) GM and CITI came off the Dow this morning
(2) When a currency collapses the prices of stock (which values physical goods in that inflated currency) go up not because the value of the company went up, but because the value of the dollar went down. If you see gold, oil, and stocks all moving in the same direction, what you are probably seeing is inflation.
23 posted on 06/01/2009 1:53:09 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: FromLori

The problem with the bond market is really pretty simple:

If the govt can force bondholders in GM to take pennies on the dollar, what prevents them from forcing all holders of US debt to take pennies on the dollar?

Secured and Treasury debt used to be the safest investment and preferable in risk to that of equity ownership such as stocks.

That has all changed with Zero in power.


24 posted on 06/01/2009 1:53:39 PM PDT by bestintxas (It's great in Texas)
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To: henkster
I awoke this morning with a feeling of foreboding...a very bad feeling that disaster is looming. I know what’s coming and am resigned to watching it happen.

Being 'smarter than the average bear' is not always a blessing...

25 posted on 06/01/2009 1:53:40 PM PDT by SomeCallMeTim
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To: Biggirl

What do you mean? Don’t you understand? This IS the revolution. Every communist revolution involves the destruction of the existing cultural and economic order, particularly the middle class. We are all kulaks, headed for the “security” of the collective farm.

It’s deliberate.


26 posted on 06/01/2009 1:53:43 PM PDT by henkster (The GOP is housebroken window-dressing displayed to portray the fiction of a Republic.)
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To: FromLori
Next year could see a whole new type of economy. Where do I get some barter bucks?
27 posted on 06/01/2009 1:53:47 PM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: henkster

As are the rest of us (resigned to watching) and trying to prepare for the worse that is yet to come. China has been quietly stopping the purchasing of our debt and would probably bolt if they did not think they would lose heavily as it is they have been changing their habits and investing in short term now.


28 posted on 06/01/2009 1:54:22 PM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: henkster

I see a second civil war coming. The seeds have been planted.


29 posted on 06/01/2009 1:55:13 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Live Long And Prosper!"-Mr. Spock:)=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: EGPWS

I thought the Messiah said we are going to hit bottom hard; skid our bottoms until they are raw and hit that pesky embankment hard as hell.


30 posted on 06/01/2009 1:55:36 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: FromLori

BUT the market was up 230 points today. NOTHING CAN GO WRONG< NOTHING CAN GO WRONG< NOTHING CAN GO WRONG


31 posted on 06/01/2009 1:55:56 PM PDT by Reagan69 (No Representation without Taxation !)
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To: FromLori; woollyone

bflr

and

bttt


32 posted on 06/01/2009 1:56:20 PM PDT by woollyone (I believe God created me- you believe you're related to monkeys. Of course I laughed at you!)
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To: mountainlion

You have probably missed out on the currency exchange, but you could get on the back order list.

The new currency is

ammo.


33 posted on 06/01/2009 1:58:08 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: qam1; GWB00

Dow is up - the shorts are covering


34 posted on 06/01/2009 2:08:13 PM PDT by CharlotteVRWC
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To: Little Pig

Don’t go to India. It WILL be attacked by Pakistan and/or China/Russia.

However, the US will fair little better, as it will bear the brunt of any attack by the “Ex” Soviet/Chicom alliance.


35 posted on 06/01/2009 2:08:25 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: jersey117

Even though HE is part of the problem with the Demorats controlling Congress and the Senate for the past 4 1/2 years along with gutless RINOS without any gnads.


36 posted on 06/01/2009 2:11:21 PM PDT by exzoomie
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To: FromLori

bookmark


37 posted on 06/01/2009 2:12:50 PM PDT by wiseprince
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To: henkster
Everyone says "things are going to get real bad" and "we're in for a world of hurt," etc. But in practical terms, what do they mean?

I've read that Argentinian guy's blog....are we talking like that? Will we have jobs or grocery stores or banks? Or will it be more like Mad Max's world, every man or woman for themselves?

38 posted on 06/01/2009 2:17:38 PM PDT by Prince of Space ("Your weapons have no effect on me!")
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To: henkster

Besides buying gold and silver, does anybody have any idea on how to prepare for rampant inflation?


39 posted on 06/01/2009 2:23:53 PM PDT by rcofdayton
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To: Thunder90

That’s the dichotomy that I was fighting on this. Being in the US during the collapse won’t be healthy, but the political instability brought by the collapse will invite every dictator-with-a-funny-hat to settle their own feuds. The only ace in the hole that I have in India is that one of my relatives there is an MP, so I would have access that most wouldn’t.


40 posted on 06/01/2009 2:25:16 PM PDT by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Islamofanatics" yet?)
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