They are selling Silver coins as well, that their shops will give spot value for. (but pricey at 50.00 a piece)
That in itself may give them power if the economy collapses.
Posted on 04/22/2009 7:12:17 AM PDT by AmericanHunter
When Texas Gov. Rick Perry floated the idea of secession if the federal government continues to pursue an aggressive tax-and-spend policy, the mainstream media, as well as the political establishment, cringed.
MSNBC’s Chris Matthews called talk of secession “whack-job stuff,” calling Mr. Perry a “bozo” and telling the Texas governor, “You don’t have a choice buddy.” Mr. Matthews’ colleague, Rachael Maddow, said Mr. Perry was “flirting to the point of adultery” by talking about secession, while commentator Thomas Frank reinforced the disconnect between the media and many Americans.
“What you’re seeing … what is one of the surprising things about these tea parties … surprising to people like you and me, is how mainstream extremism is in the Republican Party and the conservative movement,” Mr. Frank, author of Wrecking Crew: How Conservatives Rule, told Ms. Maddow.
But is the idea of secession a foreign concept to the American experience? Is talk of secession automatically treasonous? Is any secessionist movement doomed to be defined by the Civil War and exiled to the political wilderness?
“I think the biggest surprise to me was the outrage expressed by an individual who even thinks ... along these lines,” U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, said yesterday on CNN’s American Morning.
“Because I heard people say, well, ‘this was treason,’ they say, and ‘this was un-American.’ But don’t they remember how we came in to our being? We used secession. We seceded from England. So it’s a very good principle. It’s a principle of a free society. It’s a shame we don’t have it anymore.”
Dr. Paul, who ran a hard fought grassroots campaign for the Republican nomination in 2008, argued the principle of secession is one that protects the union rather than threatens it.
“I argue that if you have the principle of secession, our federal government wouldn’t be as intrusive into state affairs. And to me, that would be very good,” Dr. Paul said. “We as a nation have endorsed secession all along. I mean, think of all the secession of the countries and the Republicans from the Soviet system. We were delighted. We love it. And yet we get hysterical over this.”
Critics of the coverage of the secession comment argue the media is trying to paint the Republican Party as extreme. They say Mr. Perry was not advocating secession, but rather saying the federal government could cause its resurrection.
“We got a great union. There’s absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that?” Mr. Perry asked.
While the notion of secession was floated by Mr. Perry, he was not expressly advocating Texas leave the Union. Rather, the Texas governor used the idea in a manner Dr. Paul believes is historically accurate — to send a warning shot across the bow of a federal government that is encroaching on state’s rights and individual liberties.
Last week’s tea parties exposed a major rift in the country, and some are concerned the Obama administration does not understand the degree of dissent that is fomenting outside the Beltway. And despite panning by the political establishment, the majority of the nation viewed tea party dissent in a favorable light.
Fifty-one percent of Americans had a favorable view of the nationwide rallies, while 32 percent responded their view was very favorable, according to a poll released by Rasmussen Reports. A third of the nation had an unfavorable view with 15 percent unsure.
But among the nation’s “Political Class,” Rasmussen found just 13 percent held a favorable assessment and zero percent held a very favorable view of the nationwide protest. This disconnect, according to Dr. Paul, is a major part of the problem.
“People are angry. And if we don’t sense that, we don’t know it’s actually what’s going on there,” the Texas congressman said. Dr. Paul said the worst is yet to come because secession will achieve a greater legitimacy as the country struggles.
“When the dollar collapses and the federal government can’t fulfill any of its promises, what if they send you dollars and they don’t work,” Dr. Paul said. “People are just going to — they’re not going to have a violent cessation. They’re just going to ignore the federal government because they will be inept.”
Even state politicians considered conservative - Sen. Dan Patrick, for example - have shown in the past that they will not oppose or even support wealth transfer schemes if someone appeals skillfully to thei remotions. More people need to “secede” from liberalism intellectually and psychologically before physical secession will work as you hope.
“Union now, Union forever - Country first , Politics second”
Freedom now, freedom forever - Liberty first, country second.
To paraphrase Colin Powel, that is a convenient but inappropriate comparison.
Who the hell cares. We’ll do it anyway.
When the 10th amendment movement passes from simple “resolutions” to actual nullification of federal laws,
that is de facto secession.
So, yes, indeed, the two are related.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
We left England and that was American.
The problem now is where do we go? How many times can we cut this nation apart before there is no where else to run?
We had best fix this place before that happens.
I’m impressed!
We have a really amazing group of FReepers.
Pleasure to meet you. (I’m just a Polish mom from MI with a bunch of nondescript ancestors)
P.S. I think secession is the means to defang the federal government. I think if the states went their own direction it would be temporary and just long enough to collapse the overbearing federal government, form a new Constitution to plug the holes in the current one (We are at version 1.26 and need 2.0), and get back together. I don’t think a split would last long. We want to be a nation as we are; we just need to get rid of the garbage and that isn’t happening with the corrupt system.
They are selling Silver coins as well, that their shops will give spot value for. (but pricey at 50.00 a piece)
That in itself may give them power if the economy collapses.
Yep, and then you will be part of Mexico shortly into his first term. Guess what your second president will look like!
Duh! It’s the ultimate in American.
More evidence that the public school system is an abysmal failure.
Not with only 25% supporting it you won’t.
No.... There is nothing more un-American that becoming a socialist state at warp speed, as is the case now. This Texan says yes to secession
Destroying America is not American.
There is so much corruption in our government both local and corporations; it’s unbelievable.
To those supporting secession, would you also support the secession of a portion of a state from the rest of that state, say Southern California or South and West Texas from their respective states? How about counties or cities and towns seceding?
Then let’s root it out.
***Nothing is more un-American than secession.***
Tell that to the colonists who fought to secede from Britain.
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