Posted on 04/02/2009 7:05:41 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Information in Living Organisms
Theorem 28: There is no known law of nature, no known process, and no known sequence of events which can cause information to originate by itself in matter...
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Chapter 1: Preliminary Remarks about the Concept of Information
Chapter 2: Principles of Laws of Nature
Chapter 3: Information Is a Fundamental Entity
Chapter 4: The Five Levels of the Information Concept
Chapter 5: Delineation of the Information Concept
(stay tuned for Chapter 6)
That is, stay tuned for Chapter 7!
Where's your proof? If you don't have any proof, it's not a theorm.
==Where’s your proof? If you don’t have any proof, it’s not a theorm.
The proof is there is no *known* law of nature, and no *known* process, and no *known* sequence of events which can cause information to originate by itself in matter. If you are aware of information originating by itself in matter, please share it now.
Bottom line: It's a matter of faith. You can believe that God created the universe(s?) or you can have faith that the big bang happened by chance.
It's a crap shoot. Einstein was wrong, God does play dice.
Please define what you mean by information.
The word is theorem, which only has meaning in logic and mathematics. In particular, it requires mathematical/logical proof. Without the logic, or mathematical operations, there is no theorem.
The failure, or inability to note, or know something, does not even amount to evidence, in and of itself.
Something always had to be there. It is either matter/energy or God. And since it is pretty clear that the Universe had a beginning, and that no known law of nature, process, or sequence of events can explain information originating by itself in matter, then isn’t it fair to say that information as the product of an eternal intelligence is a distinct possiblity given the available evidence?
I only posted the final theorem. Did you read the logic that proceeded the same?
Paradoxically, there being no *known* law of nature, and no *known* process, and no *known* sequence of events which can cause uranium decay to accellerate by many orders of magnitude with no apparent increase in heat output not only doesn't constitute proof, it's not ever considered sufficient reason to assume probability.
What a pile of Bachelor Science.
Quantum is not some “magic” that defies the second law of thermodynamics.
Quantum, if anything, makes us EVEN LESS SURE about what we OBSERVE in the universe, due to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and the apparent affect or mere observation on “quantum events”.
When observing quantum, as in classical double slit experiments for example it is clear that simply observing an event has a “instant” affect on the object(s) being observed.
Since SCIENCE is based on observation of events (and assuming they operate the same way when not observed), this causes even more “whistling in the dark” from physicists.
Throw into that morass of bad juju the additional impact of Chaos Theory (which basically states there really ARE no Random events in the universe) and you being to realize our current level of understanding of the Universe is just as flawed as when “science” did not believe that germs were the cause of disease, or that worms spontaneously generated from horsehair. Noted scientists of the time (Read about Pastuer) had their reputations ruined by the Acadamy of Scientists for the crime of believing in pathogens and disbelieving in the formation of life from inanimate objects.
Information and order do not “grow” or “propagate” or “reproduce”. If so, we would be “growing” cars, books, houses etc. Order does NOT come from Chaos or disorder, because there can be no step-wise process that “preserves” information that is partial, but not usefull.
Take a look at DNA - it preserves information. Why don’t you - given EVERYTHING you have at technology’s disposal - nanotechnology, molecular engineering, robotics, etc - why don’t you design a simple life form that can reproduce itself forever, find its own food, and affect it’s own environment.
Quantum and Chaos Theory (albeit Chaos theory is poorly named) are very very interesting. It seems the universe cares what we think about it.
Name a single instance where it is untrue.
You posted no such thing. There are no theorms on that site. The statements are clearly not theorems, because they not only are illogical statements, they have no possibility of ever being proved. The use of the word theorm on htat site is fraud. "Did you read the logic that proceeded the same?"
There's no logic. There's simply strings of unsupported, illogical, or otherwise useless statements.
Learn what the word theorem means. The use of the word, as it's presented here and is being used on that site is fraud.
Nonsense. Quantum simply means discrete.
"Since SCIENCE is based on observation of events (and assuming they operate the same way when not observed), this causes even more “whistling in the dark” from physicists."
Ridiculous. This isn't even a complete thought. Also, there's no assumption that things operate the same way when they're not observed. It's a requirement that they do so. Otherwise A≠A !
"Chaos Theory (which basically states there really ARE no Random events in the universe)"
BS.
"you being to realize our current level of understanding of the Universe is just as flawed as when “science” did not believe that germs were the cause of disease, or that worms spontaneously generated from horsehair"
More of the same.
False. The formation of stars and planets is one such process. A planetary system has more information (in a technical sense) than the dust particles that went into making it.
If there is no logic, go back to the logic behind each theorem, starting with theorem 1, and show me how each successive theorem does not follow from the logic presented therein.
Please define what you mean by information.
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