Posted on 03/06/2009 4:35:47 PM PST by yongin
He completely ignores the Kennedy Assisignation, which was the biggest influence on the election.
Nice try RINO. We just are not buying it anymore. As soon as you start with the update our “message” stuff, just can’t read ... any .. more ... Can’t ......
We need someone running on conservative principles who can win in the general. In short we need both principles and electability.
And I was a precinct captain for Goldwater in Cincinnati.
My first presidential campaign...
The Reagan Revolution started with Goldwater. And Frum has no idea. Without Goldwater, there wouldn't have been a successful and important National Review to hire his sorry ass.
Well he has left NRO to go to the RINO - centrist Daily Beast, with Christopher Buckley, among others. They have been making many snarkey comments about Buckley, Brooks, and Frum at NRO these days.
Say is it true that turkeys can't fly? OK, bad WKRP reference.
Pferdenscheiße
Nope - Carter did that all on his own.
Frum discounts the Flower ad against Goldwater.
Agreed, but I would also point out that a lot of people voted on emotion, just like today. A lot of them stupidly voted to continue the legacy of a murdered President. LBJ was lucky, too.
If nothing else, the 1964 Republican Convention was momentous for propelling Ronald Reagan onto the national stage. Someone (it may have been Mark Levin) replayed his speech at the convention on the radio a while back, and what really stood out for me was just how few REPUBLICANS today are willing to publicly stake out those positions.
Here's an amazing irony . . . as I was listening to Reagan's speech and trying to think of which public personality today reminded me most of what that speech stood for, the name that came to mind over and over again was Rush Limbaugh.
I had to laugh about Sean Hannity and others claiming how "this is the year American Journalism died," in 2008. Not even close. If you think the liberal media was in the tank for 0bama, you didn't live through the 1964 election.
Johnson received a huge sympathy vote from the Kennedy assassination, and Goldwater received a tremendous amount of negative coverage as a result of his opposition to the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Goldwater's stand was a principled conservative stand for Federalism. Of course, it was portrayed as racism pure and simple. At that time the South was not Republican, so Goldwater's position hurt him in what were then Republican strongholds in battleground States.
Add to this that in 1964 the highest career military people (except LeMay) were unwilling to buck the civilian leadership on the complete inadequacy of our war effort in Vietnam; consequently most Americans were not tuned into the requirements of the conflict and Goldwater's approach sounded crazy, while Johnson's (who knew the truth, and lied) sounded measured and sensible.
Reflect on this: in the 20th century, the supposedly conservative party produced exactly two conservative presidential nominees and one libertarian. One conservative -- Reagan, and one libertarian -- Coolidge were elected. The other Republicans you can pick were advocates of activist government except for Eisenhower (who was NOT a conservative.)
So, the truth hurts: the 2008 election was NOT an aberration. The Republican Party almost never nominates conservatives. We nominate McCain types, and then get lectures for idiots like Frum, who tells us we've failed because we haven't nominated enough of them.
May they keep it up.
Some people deserve public disdain by their peers.
Frum is wishing that Giuliani won in 2008. He’s upset that the GOP did not clear the field for him in the primary.
Absolutely. Kennedy was in trouble in the polls. The pubbies were split, and Goldwater always came across as a cranky old guy, but Kennedy getting assassinated was the best thing that ever happened to Johnson politically.
Whatta buncha pelosi.
“They want to stand up for their beliefs, damn the consequences in fact the worse the consequences, the more it proves the rightness of our beliefs”
i will agree with him on this point ... know plenty of right-wingers who love lose elections.
“The assassination of President Kennedy killed Goldwaters chances.”
Absolutely correct. AUH2O ran against LBJ AND the ghost of JFK
Good one! Of course, we had some from that generation (Sarah Palin, for example, my kid brothers, for another) who were born with their heads screwed on straight because their parents had their heads screwed on straight.
Those of us born in the mid-boomer years (roughly 1953-1960) got to grow up on the tail end of Viet Nam and when the Ford/Carter recession was in full bloom with severe competition for even the poorest of jobs. Some of us were stupid enough to trust Carter and vote for him in 1976. Fewer of us would repeat that error in 1980.
So let it be with Zer0.
Mother always said that Goldwater told the truth as to what he’d do in Vietnam, LBJ lied through his teeth and won the election.
A common post-election line was "They told that if I voted for Goldwater we'd end up in an unwinnable war on the Asian mainland. Well, I voted for Goldwater anyway. And, sure enough, we did."
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