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THE GOLDWATER MYTH
New Majority ^ | February 27, 2009 | David Frum

Posted on 03/06/2009 4:35:47 PM PST by yongin

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1 posted on 03/06/2009 4:35:47 PM PST by yongin
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To: yongin

Frum discounts the Flower ad against Goldwater.

I don’t care what Frum thinks. We don’t field a RINO to win over the electorate.

Frum, that was already tried and it failed. Now, shut the heck up, you idiot.


2 posted on 03/06/2009 4:38:08 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Who is now in charge of the "Office of the President-Elect"?)
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To: yongin
It was not Goldwater who made Reagan possible. It was Carter.

Bull Frum. It was Reagan who made Reagan possible.

3 posted on 03/06/2009 4:38:22 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obama's next program: Kopechne Care)
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To: yongin

Goldwater was absolutely correct. You don’t go fight and pussyfoot around. You go to win or you don’t go.


4 posted on 03/06/2009 4:38:46 PM PST by combat_boots (Leave America poor, hungry, sick and defenseless. Wasn't that the plan? How's that Hopenchange now?)
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To: yongin

Nobody likes Frum anymore..doesn’t he get it?

Who cares what he has to say?


5 posted on 03/06/2009 4:38:55 PM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: yongin

Would this rat-faced Canadian milksop please shut his yap?


6 posted on 03/06/2009 4:41:02 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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Don’t you go talkin’ ‘bout Goldwater like that.


7 posted on 03/06/2009 4:41:45 PM PST by Repeal The 17th
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To: yongin
Mr. Frum can choose to name it for Goldwater, Reagan or the Dali Lama if he likes but having some principles and standing on them is never wrong.

What's his suggestion? More watered down ceeding the debate to the liberals and acting like we're just not quite as guilt-ridden as those other whiney-assed bedwetters?

One word Mr. Frum, ENOUGH!

I've had quite enough of seeing the inmates in charge of the asylum

I've had quite enough of watching immature children pretend to know how to lead a nation and the world

Enough

8 posted on 03/06/2009 4:42:45 PM PST by Lloyd227 (Class of 1998 (let's all help the Team McCain spider monkeys decide how to moderate))
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To: yongin
Electing someone like Frum is electing a CRYPTO-DEMOCRAT.

Who needs a MOLE like Frum?
9 posted on 03/06/2009 4:43:55 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: ConservativeMind
our priority should be to identify presidential candidates who can run strongly in every region of the country – not because we expect to win every region of the country, but because we want to help elect Republican congressional candidates in every region of the country.

We just tried Frum's strategy last year. We ran a moderate maverick who was supposed to appeal to Democrats. Didn't work out too well.

10 posted on 03/06/2009 4:48:46 PM PST by iowamark (certified by Michael Steele as "ugly and incendiary")
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To: yongin

The assassination of President Kennedy killed Goldwater’s chances. Revisionist history notwithstanding, Goldwater brought energy and ideas to a Republican Party that needed both. I guess you had to be there to appreciate the enthusiasm he generated.


11 posted on 03/06/2009 4:57:27 PM PST by catpuppy
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To: yongin
Frum completely ignores the source of the 'Goldwater Myth', the book The Emerging Republican Majority written by Kevin Phillips more than 40 years ago when he was still conservative. The point of the book was that Goldwater started moving various groups into what would become the Republican Coalition. In any case, how can you give any credence to an analysis of the 1964 election that doesn't mention the assassination of JFK? Does Frum think that we have forgotten?
12 posted on 03/06/2009 4:57:49 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: yongin
The Reagan tax cuts are long gone.

ANNNHHHH! Wrong! Tax rates are way lower than where they were when Reagan took office in 1981 and comparable (if not lower for many people) than where they were in 1989 when he left office. Either way, federal taxes are far lower than during the dark day of Carter.

Frum is a fool. If you don't have principles, why bother? You must first have principles before you can articulate and sell others on them. That's what Reagan excelled at. He was the great communicator and champion of conservative values because he believed in them. Reagan didn't need a teleprompter to tell you how he thought.

Americans (most of us, anyway) are still fiscally conservative and care passionately about being good stewards of our money, land and other precious resources. Reagan knew how to connect with fiscal conservatives of all parties and walks of life.

Republicans failed in 2006 and 2008 because voters perceived them to be no better than Democrats when it came to fiscal conservatism. They saw Bush's $5 trillion debt and said enough is enough. I'd never be stupid enough to be duped into voting for Obama based on that evidence (as though liberals are ever fiscally conservative) but it's easy to see why many have lost faith in the GOP and doubt its credibility on fiscal issues.

Abandoning our principles is what got us into the fix we're in. Frum is a fool if he thinks reinventing our principles and becoming poll driven populists (like the Democrats) is the answer for the GOP. Our principles did not fail us, our failure was failing to adhere to them.

It's no different than a God fearing Christian who has lost the faith... it wasn't the principles of Christianity that failed them, it was their failure to live the Word through works and not merely recite the Word while failing to live it.

13 posted on 03/06/2009 4:59:17 PM PST by ikeonic
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To: yongin

I watched McCain last night on TV trying to wrap himself in the Mantle of Barry Goldwater. He failed miserably.

I will give McCain credit for being against most Pork legislation. But not much else.

Don’t agree with him on Immigration, Don’t agree with him on big government, Don’t agree with him on where the Republicans need to direct the party.

I wished I did not feel that way, but none the less I do.


14 posted on 03/06/2009 5:00:38 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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Interesting take on the man McCain replaced in the Senate.

After Goldwater left the Senate, he turned into a full blown liberal.


15 posted on 03/06/2009 5:02:03 PM PST by yongin (The Messiah's economic policy is a Katrina waiting to happen)
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To: catpuppy
Goldwater brought energy and ideas to a Republican Party that needed both. I guess you had to be there to appreciate the enthusiasm he generated.

Indeed. Barry contributed greatly to conservative thought. Not the eloquent speaker and communicator that Reagan was, but Barry would hit you right in the gut and make you think hard about what he was saying. A true fiscal conservative and a social libertarian (which in the post Roe v. Wade world means he would never get very far in today's GOP). We could use a lot more real fiscal conservatives who understand that states shouldn't be welfare queens begging for federal handouts. We need the GOP to grow some cojones and stop feeding the unsustainable growth of the federal beast before we go the way of the Roman Empire and collapse from the weight of massive debt, taxes, overspending and resource depletion.

16 posted on 03/06/2009 5:05:02 PM PST by ikeonic
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
In any case, how can you give any credence to an analysis of the 1964 election that doesn't mention the assassination of JFK? Does Frum think that we have forgotten?

Frum was born in 1960. In Toronto. He comes from a generation that believes: if it didn't happen to me, it didn't happen.

As a consequence, he has no idea who Barry Goldwater was, what he believed nor what his followers believed (I'm one of them).

Nor does he have any knowledge of the paramount importance of Kennedy's assassination, nor it coitus interruptus impact on politics.

In short, David Frum is an over-educated, misinformed fool.

17 posted on 03/06/2009 5:05:25 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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"I guess you had to be there to appreciate the enthusiasm he generated."

I was there. We said:" In your heart you know he's right! The left said: "In your guts you know he's nuts". Two years later when LBJ was tanking, billboards throughout the mid west proclaimed: "Now you know he was right."

18 posted on 03/06/2009 5:11:24 PM PST by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: yongin

Frum is not Frum. Deport this RINO back to Canada.


19 posted on 03/06/2009 5:14:34 PM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: okie01

I know. I was on the Board of NY Youth for Goldwater.


20 posted on 03/06/2009 5:14:50 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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