Posted on 03/06/2009 4:35:47 PM PST by yongin
As to the congressional coatails for LBJ, I don’t think that mattered too much (ick Tom Foley elected), his crap probably would have passed anyway. in 1966 the GOP rebounded big time.
The lasting damage from 1964, his vote against the Civil rights act with taken as racist by blacks though it wasn’t in the case of the few northern Republicans who voted against it, and they’ve voted 90% (more for Obama) rat since due to whole thing turning into some kind of “GOP is racist” meme virus. If they only got 70% of the black vote, they’d never win.
Fieldmarshaldj told me the rat in 1980 ran to his right.
In 1992 he was backing rat Karen English for congress for some silly residency reason allegedly (or abortion, suspected reason).
Yeah, Bill Schulz ran to the right on the pro-life issue. Goldwater lied to pro-life activists that he wouldn’t go against them.
He backed English in AZ-6 over Doug Wead, the Republican, because Wead was one of “those” (Religious Conservatives).
“Yeah, Bill Schulz ran to the right on the pro-life issue. Goldwater lied to pro-life activists that he wouldn’t go against them.”
Not good.
But If that was the only thing I would have still backed Goldwater. Schulz was a Republican and switched I read, one wonders what he was thinking switching to the rat party, I’d be more sympathetic to lifelong pinto dem.
Backing English was inexcusable especially if he lied about the reason. I’m sure he backed AZ newcomer John McCain in 1986.
As it turned out, Johnson's management of the war resulted in the deaths of 58,226 American troops and 304,000 wounded out of the more than TWO MILLION AMERICANS who served there.
Things might be very different today if JFK still lived. MLK was frustrated with JFK dragging his feet over the Civil Rights Bill. JFK needed Southern Dems to support him on other issues. Northern GOP Senators opposed JFK for the sake of being partisan. The GOP Senators supported the Civil Rights Bill due to goodwill on JFK’s death. If JFK didn’t die, the Civil Rights Bill may have not passed during JFK’s term. MLK would have grown frustrated with the Dems and given the GOP another look. As result, blacks wouldn’t be addicted to the Dems.
1964 was always bound to be a Democratic year. The difference between Barry Goldwater's 38.5% candidacy and the 44% or 45% that might have been won by a Nelson Rockefeller or a William Scranton was the effect on down-ballot races... While dependent on southern Democrats, President Johnson had to develop a careful, pragmatic domestic agenda that balanced zigs to the right (in 1964, Congress passed the first across the board income tax cut since the 1920s) with zags to the left (the Economic Opportunity Act of 1964 which created Head Start among other less successful programs). Then came the Republican debacle of November 1964. Goldwater's overwhelming defeat invited a tsunami of liberal activism... Suppose history had taken a different bounce in 1964. Suppose somebody other than Sen. Goldwater had won the Republican presidential nomination. Suppose his narrower margin of defeat had preserved those 36 Republican seats in the House -- or even possibly gained some seats. (The big Democratic gains in 1958 and 1962 were ripe for a rollback in 1964 -- and indeed were rolled back in 1966, when the GOP picked up 47 seats in the House and 3 in the Senate.)On the one hand, he says that 1964 was bound to be a Demwit year, but on the other, says that the Demwit gains in 1962 were ripe for a rollback in 1964. He's exactly correct about this: "Goldwater's overwhelming defeat invited a tsunami of liberal activism." Republican candidates in 2010 will be less conservative than ever before, because they saw what happened in 2008 -- count on it. The public perception is always that the Pubbie is a conservative, or at the very least more conservative, than the Demwit; since that was a miserable failure, there's no way there will be deeply conservative candidates in the primaries and general in 2010. But whomever runs won't be able to raise money, won't be able to count on volunteers, won't win. To some extent that will be true of all Republican candidates in 2010, but it will be particularly true of conservative ones. Count on it.
Democratic Debacle (1964 convention, repercussions today)
America Heritage | July 2004 (cover date) | Joshua Zeitz
Posted on 07/27/2004 9:59:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1179981/posts
That meshes with the theory that LBJ himself was a player in the JFK assassination. There's some pretty good overall evidence to support that in a book by Barr McClellan (estranged father of one of W's WH press secretaries) titled "Blood, Money, and Power."
I'm not accusing him of being a 'Rat in GOP clothing, but his Republican credentials aren't all that formidable, other than his two years or so as a speechwriter in the W White House.
I understand he's a transplanted Canadian, possibly a dual national.
I went to the YAF convention in New York which resolved to draft Goldwater.
The little girl plucking the daisy petals was the pinnacle of the Left's attack on Goldwater.
Johnson was beseeched by the Joint Chiefs November 1965 for permission to mine Haiphong and bomb Hanoi--he cursed them and shooed them out of the White House.
Johnson did as much as anyone to damage the nation--as much as anyone in its history--before the Islamo-Communist from Kenya.
Frum has an odor about him--he smells like surrender.
I don’t believe that to be the case, but there’s a creepy thing in some kind of bio of or memoirs by LBJ, that he felt like a “vulture” hovering around JFK when he was standing and JFK was at the desk in the Oval Office.
Growing up in Texas, I'm familiar with LBJ's shenanigans. There was the infamous case of Box 13 and the Duke of Duval County, and of course, the claims made by Billy Sol Estes. Of course, the thing about Billy Sol was you'd better count your fingers after shaking hands with him. Is it true? I dunno. I know LBJ was crooked as a dog's hind leg, but so was Billy Sol Estes.
Thanks for the ping!
That's the first I've heard of any of that. I think GOP Senators supported the bill because they were for it.
Thanks justiceseeker93.
True.
Also, Goldwater would have run a lot better against Kennedy (from Massachusetts) than Johnson (from Texas).
He would have carried some of the Plains and Mountain States and maybe even Texas itself.
He wouldn't have won, though, as he basically wrote off a very large chunk of the country with his "sometimes I think this country would be better off if we could just saw off the Eastern Seaboard and let it float out to sea" comment.
He was honest, certainly, but his attitude turned a lot of voters off.
As much as I dislike Frum, it would be a mistake to think that we should only speak to those who are already on our side or to mount a highly regional campaign in 2012.
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