Obama is Still an American, Still President

Scripps News ^ | 3/6/2009 | Dale McFeaters...etal.

[AJ in NYC]

It is an article of faith in the loopier precincts of the Internet, impervious to evidence to the contrary, that Barack Obama is ineligible to be president of the United States because he is not a "natural born citizen" as the Constitution requires.

All this would be quite harmless, like believing in the Illuminati or alien abduction, except that the extra-chromosome true believers have taken to filing suit in the federal courts basically seeking to overturn the election.

[GCC Catholic]

Again, the Constitution left it up entirely to the political process and that process has already played out. is in the process of playing out.

There. Fixed that for you.

[GCC Catholic]

Nope. Played out.

That this is still an issue demonstrates that it has not "played out." That pesky 10th Amendment is still keeping it a live issue.

For your sake, you better hope that it never does play out, for if it does you'll have nothing more to talk about here.

[Scanian]

Not as negative as I was told. Still, I don’t think he liked that question worth a damn. Also, it appears that Zer0 likes to get into racial and ethnic stereotypes, doesn’t it? Asians are short for basketball. Zer0 can “welch” on bets with his “body man.” Let a pubbie candidate say that and the MSM will be on them like stink on shiite.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Whatever did happen to his passport anyway? Is it in order, or should he be deported? BO certainly ‘cleared up’ the controversy didn’t he?

[browardchad]

Then a Hillary supporter who goes by the moniker "Linda Starr" dredges up just about every piece of crap off the Internet, including the claims regarding Maya's certificate and presents them to another Hillary supporter who is a long time friend and fifth rate hack of an attorney in Philadelphia, who then proceeds to cobble them together into a lawsuit against Obama, and upon that basis demands literally every scrap of paper the DNC has with Obama's name on it.

MM - whence comes that info? I haven't seen it presented that way before, so I'm curious.

[BP2]

Vattel is the most unsubstantiated, academically weak argument I've seen in years.

We keep having the trolls come on and say that “Natural Born Citizen” is not defined in the Constitution. Neither are many words and phrases, like:
"he" (See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2184723/posts?page=108#108) and
"keep and bear arms" (See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2182338/posts?page=478#478),
but the Framers universally knew what NBC meant -- Vattel defined it clearly for them! And the Framers referenced Vattel more than any other legal author of the day.

John Jay, who made the most-notable reference to George Washington on NBC, was also the first Chief Justice. He kept a copy of Vattel's "Law of Nations" on his desk. So did Madison. So did many, many other Framers. The Senate also purchased Law of Nations for official use in 1794 (see below).

To demonstrate the importance and weight that Vattel’s Law of Nations played in the formation of our Nation in the first years, there are many references, but I'll cite Thomas Lee's (University of Chicago Law) essay, “The Safe-Conduct Theory of the Alien Tort Statute”:

But before turning to the Act [“Alien Tort Act”], it is necessary to identify one other crucial source, which was the founding group’s primary reference for international law issues such as the scope and nature of the safe conduct and the obligations and duties of neutral sovereigns. On Monday, March 10, 1794, during the height of young Republic’s neutrality crisis, the Senate ordered: “That the Secretary purchase Blackstone’s Commentaries, and Vattel’s Law of Nature and Nations, for the use of the Senate.” The purchase order—the first books the Senate bought (and the only ones it apparently ordered in the eighteenth century)—gives us insight not only into the reference books the members of the First Congress likely consulted for issues relating to the ATS, but also signifies the omnipresent, omnipotent dual influence—sometimes complementary as with the ATS, at other times pointing in different directions— of English common law (represented by Blackstone) and continental “public” law (represented by Vattel) on the founding group.

The treatise by the Swiss thinker Emmerich de Vattel entitled The Law of Nations or Principles of the Law of Nature Applied to the Conduct and Affairs of Nations and Sovereigns was the supremus inter pares of the international law texts the founding group used during the crucial decade between 1787 and 1797. The Founders also read and cited other leading authorities, most notable Hugo Grotius and Samuel Pufendorf, but Vattel was their clear favorite.

Vattel’s work was first published in French in 1758, with the first English translation published in London in 1759. By 1787, there was another English edition and eight more French editions. The first American edition was published in New York in 1796. Vattel’s treatise, according to Benjamin Franklin as early as 1775, was “continually in the hands of the members of our Congress now sitting.” The book was especially treasured for its directions on how the young Republic should conduct its foreign affairs. At one cabinet meeting in April 1793, Alexander Hamilton cited Vattel for the proposition that the United States could unilaterally revoke its treaty of alliance with France given the dramatic upheaval in that country. “Jefferson was not swayed by the citation, but it did cause Edmund Randolph, the attorney general, to reconsider his opposition to Hamilton’s proposal. Unfortunately, a copy of Vattel’s was not available at the moment, and so the meeting adjourned” until a copy could be located.

So when I see people come on FR and make intellectually-vacant comments like, "Vattel is the most unsubstantiated, academically weak argument I've seen in years," they quite frankly have NO FREAKIN' IDEA what they're talking about!

[BP2]

Then it should be left to those people to draft legislation.

WE are the people. YOU are a whiner. Stop complaining, get out from behind that keyboard and participate in your government!

[Fred Nerks]

“...That sounds a lot like lawyer talk for self incrimination.”

I agree. That goes for every other document or history that is sealed or hidden:

1. Occidental College records — Not released
2. Columbia College records — Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper — not available, locked down by faculty
4. Harvard College records — Not released, locked down by faculty
5. Selective Service Registration — Not released
6. Medical records — Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule — ‘not available’
8. Law practice client list — Not released
9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate - - Not released
10. Embossed, signed paper ‘Certification of Live Birth’ –Not released
11. Harvard Law Review articles published — None
12. University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
13. Record of baptism– Not released or ‘not available’ [ or non-existent?]
14. Illinois State Senate records–’not available’

Re Selective Service Registration, see:

November 13, 2008
EXCLUSIVE: Did Next Commander-in-Chief Falsify Selective Service Registration? Never Actually Register? Obama’s Draft Registration Raises Serious Questions

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/11/exclusive_did_n.html

[Velveeta]

Mr. Soetoro could also resign.

[Chief Engineer]

For Jr everything is about race which he uses to his advantage time after time!

[fanfan]

It would seem that it was put to rest.

Thanks BP2 for your post #103.

I hope Michael-Zero-supporter has read it.

[BP2]

let Missourians worry about Missouri laws.

Wrong. The country is being held hostage by Hawaiian state birth certificate law. One state does not have to reciprocate all laws of another state (e.g, gay marriage, doctor assisted suicide, etc). But for a Presidential election, we ALL have to take a bite of this sh!t sandwich called the Hawaii "CertificaTION of Live Birth".

Therefore, I have NO ethical or moral dilemma trying to influence the laws of another state in this situation -- doing what I can, with people with a similar political mindset, to help solve this Constitutional crisis.

All of that said, Hawaii is KNOWINGLY passing legislation making it easier for LEOs to request Vital Statistics records without a judge's permission. Hawaii SB 844 is to be VOTED ON AND APPROVED on Tuesday, Mar 10, 2009. The AG really, REALLY wants this: SB844_TESTIMONY_JGO_03-02-09 Testimony.

[BP2]

Sorry, this is a better link to Hawaii County and AG support of this Bill: SB844_TESTIMONY_JGO_02-11-09 Testimony

[usmcobra]

it was the sense of the press and you can review CBS’s archives if you wish, that George W. Bush should not be president because of the fact that he had been AWOL.

Go ahead do the research, that is what you are good at aren’t Mr. “I’ve been researching online for over 25 years”

[Red Steel]

Wrong. The country is being held hostage by Hawaiian state birth certificate law.

A law that Obama has exploited beyond its intended purpose.

[justiceseeker93]

Citizen, yes...

He hasn't even proven that. If he was born in Kenya, he would be required to be naturalized in order to become a US citizen. To date, no one has produced any naturalization papers. Then again, even if naturalization papers existed, that fact in itself would prove that he wasn't natural born, i.e., that he is constitutionally ineligible to be president.

[justiceseeker93]

McFeaters is merely the latest to use the old Soviet technique of marginalizing dissidents by impugning their mental health!

If the dinosaur media continue to disappear, he'll soon be out of a job, so don't be too concerned about him.