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True Definition of Natural Born Citizen
Townhall ^ | March 1, 2009 | Glenn Flowers

Posted on 03/01/2009 4:35:14 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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Interesting.
1 posted on 03/01/2009 4:35:15 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

> Not once did the SCOTUS rule Obama was eligible or even consider whether he was or not, rather they dismissed each case on the technicality of plaitiff’s lack of standing to file the case.

There ya go...


2 posted on 03/01/2009 4:40:19 PM PST by max americana
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Be careful what you wish for. If Present Potato Head is not Constitutionally eligible to be Present of the United States, that also means he is not Constitutionally restricted to serving only two terms.


3 posted on 03/01/2009 4:40:23 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We are no longer a republic ruled by law, but, instead have become a democracy with rules made up as we go along, never to be written as law.

I'm starting to think that's what we've been all along. It's just that Liberals figured that out decades ago.

4 posted on 03/01/2009 4:42:36 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Elsie; WOSG; ccmay

Pingaling


5 posted on 03/01/2009 4:47:56 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Jim Robinson

pingalingaling


6 posted on 03/01/2009 4:49:07 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Texas Eagle

actually, it would mean he would be arrested for fraud and frog marched out of the office.

of course, the next step would be blacks rioting, the dollar tanking further, markets collapsing, and then the Constitutional crisis will begin... as they start to roll-back all legislation he has signed, executions orders he issue, and appointments he has made. anyone convicted under laws he signed would be re-tried (i think), and judges he appointed would have their cases re-tried (or thrown out). military personnel performing any ‘aggressive’ actions overseas would find themselves up for war crimes charges.

the list goes on.

since this is even a remote possibility, just to absolutely rule it out... his eligibility MUST be determined.


7 posted on 03/01/2009 4:49:10 PM PST by sten
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; STARWISE

Great article.

Ping for Starwise!


8 posted on 03/01/2009 4:49:53 PM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Interesting, but wrong. The “grandfather clause” was needed because the Framers wanted to make sure that all U.S. citizens at the founding, including Alexander Hamilton (born in the Caribbean island of Nevis), could become president. And even had the “grandfather clause” really been adopted to allow the likes of George Washington and John Adams to become president, it would have been because someone could have been hypertechnical and claimed that they were not U.S. citizens at birth because *no one* was born a U.S. citizen in 1732 and such because the United States of America did not yet exist formally.

A natural-born citizen is a U.S. citizen at birth. If Obama was born in the U.S., he is a natural-born citizen. However, if he was born in Kenya (as his step-grandmother claimed), then he wasn’t a U.S. citizen at birth under the laws in effect in 1961 (because his father was a non-citizen abnd his 18-year-old U.S.-citizen mother obviously had not resided in the U.S. for 5 years after the age of 14). So where Obama was born is yhe key to determining whether or not he is a natural-born citizen.


9 posted on 03/01/2009 4:52:15 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (Fred Thompson appears human-sized because he is actually standing a million miles away.)
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To: sten

Bottom line: nobody is going to want to deal with that. We just need to suck it up for the next 3 years and 11 months until President Sarah Jean Palin takes the oath of office.


10 posted on 03/01/2009 4:52:25 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The first thing it says is that being born in the US is not enough to be natural born, otherwise the grandfather clause would not be necessary. The writers and delegates, having been born in the US, wanted to be eligible for the presidency, but most were the children of British subjects. Knowing that that eliminated them from being natural born and, thus, from eligibility, they included the grandfather clause which expired when the last person alive at the time of the ratification of the Constitution died.”


I always thought that was written because since these men were creating the United States, none of them could have been born in it.


11 posted on 03/01/2009 4:55:36 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

bump


12 posted on 03/01/2009 4:56:05 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is what the media will not state/report, plus unfortunately, we have had a serious decline in educated voters who know anything except what they learned in socially engineered classes. Sadly, I see far too many who quit high school dating back to mandatory integretation. In 62-65, I had several 21 year old plus friends, who were still seniors in high school. I think the state law required all to graduate from high school as a minimum, unless it was a pregnant female, which was very rare back then. I only recall one female who got pregnant during my senior year out of a graduating class of nearly a thousand.


13 posted on 03/01/2009 4:56:08 PM PST by Lumper20
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To: Texas Eagle; 2ndDivisionVet
Be careful what you wish for.

I concur.

If Present Potato Head is not Constitutionally eligible to be Present of the United States, that also means he is not Constitutionally restricted to serving only two terms.

Not necessarily. It means that Obama would become ineligible for the office of President, and consequently, he would be eligible to serve...zero terms. However, such a finding would create a Constitutional crisis unparalleled in recent decades, spurring "clarification" of the rules that may not be...exactly favorable to our viewpoint.

14 posted on 03/01/2009 4:56:40 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There are several reasons Barry Barack Hussein Soetero Obama is not eligible to be POTUS. Most of us know them, I won’t bore you with the list. As the article says, the SCOTUS and other courts were cowards (and/or corrupt) for not letting the many cases proceed. The chances he is a total fake are pretty good IMHO. There is no good reason to hide all the records he is hiding. There is plenty of smoke for this fire to be real. I never never call him president. He has not earned the right to that title.


15 posted on 03/01/2009 4:57:42 PM PST by TheConservativeParty (Democrats are bastard coated bastards with bastard filling.)
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To: Texas Eagle
How can a usurper, ineligible for the first term in office to begin with, then 'serve' a second ?

SCOTUS is derelict, our Republic is in grave danger, and the usurper is making noise about starting an updated version of the SA.

This is NOT going to end well.

16 posted on 03/01/2009 4:58:01 PM PST by tomkat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Those interested in this topic might also find the thread Natural-born and Native-born Definitions from a couple of months ago, which reproduces the history of the usage of these phrases from the OED, of interest.

ML/NJ

17 posted on 03/01/2009 4:59:37 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Any law on the books is only as good as anyone's willingness to enforce it." - Rush Limbaugh, 1999
18 posted on 03/01/2009 5:00:08 PM PST by oprahstheantichrist (The MSM is a demonic stronghold, PLEASE pray accordingly. 2 Cor. 10:3-5)
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How can a usurper, ineligible for the first term in office to begin with, then 'serve' a second ?

I was just being a smartass.

19 posted on 03/01/2009 5:00:14 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: max americana

May the wrath of God be upon the SCOTUS without mercy.


20 posted on 03/01/2009 5:00:15 PM PST by pankot
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