Posted on 03/01/2009 8:22:44 AM PST by STARWISE
Bill Clinton had the Vince Foster "murder." George W. Bush had 9/11 Truth. And the new administration has brought with it a new culture of conspiracy: The Birthers.
Out of the gaze of the mainstream and even the conservative media is a flourishing culture of advocates, theorists and lawyers, all devoted to proving that Barack Obama isn't eligible to be president of the United States.
Viewed as irrelevant by the White House, and as embarrassing by much of the Republican Party, the subculture still thrives from the conservative website WorldNetDaily, which claims that some 300,000 people have signed a petition demanding more information on Obama's birth, to Cullman, Alabama, where Sen. Richard Shelby took a question on the subject at a town hall meeting last week.
Their confinement to the fringe hasn't cooled the passion of believers; the obscure New York preacher James Manning turned up at a National Press Club session in December to declare the president "the most notorious criminal in the history not just of America, but of this entire planet."
(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...
Personally, I don't adhere to these theories nor do I disbelieve what has been posited about Obama's status. But if the theories are so "crackpot," as you state, then give us the facts that debunk them. Until then, I'll continue to show interest in why Obama and Co. refuse to supply evidence on his birth location, his physician, and the hospital, with facts...
Politico ranks right down there with Factcheck, Politifact, and Snopes for stating lies like they were the truth. The challenges to Obama’s eligibility are built on facts, not political conjectures as Politico is well-known to do.
Hahahahahaha!
Like the 'crackpots' who exposed Alger Hiss, time will tell.
I think Obamas use of lawyers to battle in courts when all he needs is a birth certificate is really part of his stimulus plan
You are assuming that Hawaii is up to speed on past documentation input to a central database, sorry after being in the mil and working on gov operations and 17+ years in the IT industry, there is no state that is doing that with any dedicated hurry to digitalize everything.
My main concern is the direction that the country is being driven towards by this idiots in the house & senate, without regard to the constitution.
Well, plus the local traffic controller “committed suicide” the next day. And a stewardess who survived the crash and did not seem to be badly wounded somehow died on the way to the hospital.
Some copies of the Ron Brown xrays survived, because one of the coronors was using them on the lecture circuit. They show a round hole measuring just under half an inch in diameter. In other words, presumably 44 or 45 caliber.
Great comeback. Obama, the Democrats, and everyone else who believes, without question, the ideological anti-American, anti-Israel bullsh*t of radical Islamic butchers and their spologists, and chooses to side with them, are our real enemies.
So, starwise I take it that you are more concerned about what people think then what the truth may be?
So when people come on FR and trash our 2nd Amendment rights we should just do what?
It is people like you who make empty claims not supported by facts done only to mislead others that is the root of our nations problems.
I doubt you hold a single conservative position.
Here we go again.
She did not. She merely reaffirmed what the state law is in regards to access to those sorts of documents.
Imagine that, an executive upholding the law, even when it might have benefited her party to do otherwise. She is of course a Republican.
I've never thought this story was going to go anywhere--even if it could be proven that BHO was born in Kenya, Congress could just change the rules so he counts as "natural born citizen" (since no one doubts that his mother was a US citizen by birth). The only thing that is peculiar is BHO's refusal to make the whole issue go away by producing the document--$10 for an official copy would be a lot less trouble than fighting the lawsuits. There could be something else in the document that would be embarrassing...or it may just be his massive arrogance and sense of entitlement. The problem is not that he's a Kenyan but that he's a narcissist...and a socialist.
I understand that! I’m also well versed in the privacy laws.
There is plenty of info on the cert NO ONE has seen; like his father’s name.
If there is no story here, why is he fighting it in court? Just release a certified copy of the ORIGINAL document and be done with it. Make the ‘birthers’ out to be fools instead of fueling the conspiracy theories.
BTW, a COLB is not the same as the original Birth Certificate.
My suspicion is there is something there. Maybe (probably) he is a citizen, but something is there he does not want made public.
Sorta like that pesky form 180 J F Kerry refuses to sign.
By the way, "cicero"s post #66 is a clue to where many of the "birthers" are coming from:
As for Vincent Foster, anyone who believes he committed suicide clearly has not looked into the matter. Who murdered him, and where, is an open question...Also, all the x-rays (like Ron Brown’s) somehow disappeared out of a safe. And the “suicide note” was completely unconvincing.
Once a conspiracy theorist, always a conspiracy theorist. It's a mindset, akin to the 9/11 "truthers". You can't argue with it intelligently so don't even try.
If you are embarrassed by people asking questions, you barely deserve to be an American, and you are certainly NOT a “conservative”.
Obama has admitted, in Court papers, that turning over these documents would be an “embarrassment” -— do some research!
Now the problem might be paternity, and not geography.
However, we are talking about a man who became famous, because of two books that he wrote. If those “autobiographies” are complete frauds, that alone raises questions, does it not?
You are a coward.
Or? You are an Obama bot troll.
Commissioned officers only need be citizens. Presidents must be natural born citizens. Besides, I image she didn't get away with just posting a scanned image of the certification of live birth, and directing the Air Force to that, did she? No, she had to provide an actual paper document, with a raised seal, and registrar's stamp.
The Certificate of Live Birth contains more information than the Certification of Live Birth. The latter is what the Obama campaign and your sister provided. For example, parents place of birth, residence, occupation, as well as the name of the hospital or information about the circumstances if the birth was not in a hospital, and so forth. Those obviously don't matter when proving citizenship, they may indeed matter when proving natural born citizenship.
You sister could have requested a copy of the Certificate, but it would have taken longer to obtain, and wasn't required in her circumstances.
BTW, the Certification is not a copy, it's a "generated when requested" abstract of information from the Certificate, probably via a computer database, not directly from the Certificate. All that means it's a bit easier to falsify a Certification than a Certificate, and since it contains no original signatures, much easier to forge or to modify an image of originally legitimate certification.
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Ah, something on which we can agree. For the record, I do find it strange he hasn't made public a "certified" copy. And, like you I guess there's something on that certificate that conflicts with his TWO autobiographies; maybe his father, or his religion.
Additionally, I think that the probable reason he hasn't released any of his college transcripts, applications, student aid forms etc, is that there's additional information located on those documents that conflicts with his biographical narrative.
The problem is that there isn't any Constitutional or statute requirements for him to do so. So, he didn't and he won't regardless of any precedent that may have been set by previous or current candidates. But, to claim he wasn't indeed born in HI is, IMHO just folly for the MSM to bash conservatives.
Only the Governor part. Hawaii's DOH regularly seals birth certificates for any child born anywhere on the globe that are exchanged for Hawaiian Certificates of Birth.
Second, why Obama doesn't have his original birth certificate? I have no idea. But, I don't have mine either. Does that mean I was born in Kenya? Obama, has a copy. It's the EXACT SAME copy that you or I would receive if we were born in HI and needed to get a copy from the state.
If Obama has a copy of his original birth certificate, it is not the original certificate itself -- nobody has ever seen it except Hawaii's DOH when his mother exchanged the original for a Hawaiian COB. Also, Obama does not have a COLB, as in Certification of Live Birth, either. If he does have one, and I doubt he does, then it is absolutely not what was used to make the scan images and photographs passed off as his.
Lastly, that transcript, known as the COLB, cannot be used to prove natural-born status even if Obama was born in Hawaii. Only the original birth certificate can. BUT, if it is true that his father was really Obama Sr., then Junior is also not a natural-born citizen because he acquired his father's British citizenship at birth.
NO. Obama was not born in Hawaii. No way. No how.
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