Posted on 03/01/2009 8:22:44 AM PST by STARWISE
Bill Clinton had the Vince Foster "murder." George W. Bush had 9/11 Truth. And the new administration has brought with it a new culture of conspiracy: The Birthers.
Out of the gaze of the mainstream and even the conservative media is a flourishing culture of advocates, theorists and lawyers, all devoted to proving that Barack Obama isn't eligible to be president of the United States.
Viewed as irrelevant by the White House, and as embarrassing by much of the Republican Party, the subculture still thrives from the conservative website WorldNetDaily, which claims that some 300,000 people have signed a petition demanding more information on Obama's birth, to Cullman, Alabama, where Sen. Richard Shelby took a question on the subject at a town hall meeting last week.
Their confinement to the fringe hasn't cooled the passion of believers; the obscure New York preacher James Manning turned up at a National Press Club session in December to declare the president "the most notorious criminal in the history not just of America, but of this entire planet."
(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...
Short on detail? The Hawaiian privacy laws are very specific about what personal information government officials can disclose about it's citizens, not unlike HIPPA.
I'm not sure what additional "details" you need other than 1)There's a birth certificate and 2) She's seen it with her own eyes.
Do you have a link to that statement by the Governor?
I heard right.
your obfuscation of the issue is obviously intentional.
Post your sister’s BC if you are so sure it looks the same.
And btw the one posted on the website was INVALID due to it being altered by having parts blacked out. Alterations invalidate the document, and that doc was altered.
What a shock. starunwise posts trash from politico.
Not grounded in evidence?
The Kenyan has failed to produce any evidence in a court of law of his birth.
Such stupidity.
Well, if you bother to look into the known facts (which do not include any of Obama’s actual records, since he is concealing virtually all of them), then you would know that this article is filled with lies.
The COLB on the internet is a clear fake.
The Hawaiian officials who have commented on the matter, whose official statements are available on line, have NOT said that Obama was born in Hawaii, only that they have his original birth certificate and that no one is allowed access to it without Obama’s permission.
As for Vincent Foster, anyone who believes he committed suicide clearly has not looked into the matter. Who murdered him, and where, is an open question, but he didn’t get into Fort Marcy Park on his own steam, he didn’t have a gun when he was first discovered, he didn’t bleed as would be expected on the ground where he was found, and his shoes showed no traces of his having walked there.
Also, all the x-rays (like Ron Brown’s) somehow disappeared out of a safe. And the “suicide note” was completely unconvincing.
Bush lied? I think not.
In other words, this whole article is a series of lies from one end to another.
Do we KNOW all the circumstances of Obama’s birth and citizenship? No, because he refuses to release his birth certificate, passports, college records, or anything else that might throw some light on the real facts. But we do know that he is a serial liar. There’s plenty of evidence of that.
Let's apply a little common sense. In Haiwaii, when you need a copy of your birth certificate, there isn't a person that goes into a dark basement file room and pulls your BC and phsycially makes a copy. To save money and to be more expedient, those days are long, long over.
Instead, information is pulled from a central server and a laser-printed, standardized BC is issued. My sister was born in the late '70's, but her BC COPY looks exactly like someone's who was born in '32 or '02.
And for the record I'm not stoned nor stupid. If you have concerns about ACORN or systemic voter fraud, fine. So do I. But this issue is akin to Bigfoot, UFO's, Nessie and "who killed Kennedy". It doesn't advance anyone's legitimate concerns about Obama's policies, media bias or voter fraud.
When the aliens come and visit you in the middle of the night, is there "probing" that takes place?
Sigh.
The bottom line is this: no court, including SCotUS is going to rule that a sitting President with a natural-born citizen mother is ineligble to serve. We may not be happy with that reality, but a reality it is.
Instead of beating our heads against this particular wall for the next four (or more) years, trying to play a losing game of “gotcha,” conservatives should be spending that energy on making long term change to institutions like the media and schools which created a culture that allowed this cretin to get in.
Where are his college records? Sealed
Where are his student loan records? Sealed
Where are his passport records? Sealed
Where are his selective service records? Produced one, but the form used at the time was different than the one used at the time BO would have filed his selective service form.
Where are his health records? Unavailable
WHY????
you’d be more at home at DU with the other tards.
To paraphrase a line from a Freeper on a different thread: If I wanted to be among a group of drama queens (see above) then I would have become Democrat.
Brother, if anyone's retarded here, it's you. Get some help.
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I'll bet that your sister's birth certificate, though it may be computer generated, at least bears the proper authentication (clerk's certification stamp/seal). If Obama's had been authenticated, this topic would not still be simmering.
I'm sure it *could* simply be a coincidence that the vital records office slipped-up and failed to authenticate the copy of a birth certificate requested by a presidential candidate. Yeah, that's the ticket.
reality check.
the founders of the country thought this such a serious issue, that it is defined in article 2 of the Constitution.
next, most presidential candidates have long careers and had been vetted along the way. 0bama has not.
the potential for crisis if this were true DEMANDS that we verify that the potential for a Constitutional crisis does not exist.
and lastly... it’s only a birth certificate. john mccain was asked the same question and provided the details immediately. 0bama provided his attorneys card.
it would take less then one day to resolve the issue, yet it continues to be obstructed.
the more this is fought, the more guilty he looks.
if you don’t understand that, then sit down and stay out of the way.
I aint your brother, mister october ‘08 signup date.
You are transparent, and obviously ignorant of the law.
RE:Also, all the x-rays (like Ron Brown’s) somehow disappeared out of a safe. And the “suicide note” was completely unconvincing.”
The accident investigation was cancelled on the order of president Clinton. I think that is the only recoverable crash of a USAF plane in which no investigation was conducted. (occurred in Turkey, a friendly country at the time). What information did come out, including the suppression of testimony by Turkish tower personnel, weather at the time, etc., all strongly suggest that the “official” cause, weather and pilot error was a red herring.
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