Posted on 03/01/2009 8:22:44 AM PST by STARWISE
Bill Clinton had the Vince Foster "murder." George W. Bush had 9/11 Truth. And the new administration has brought with it a new culture of conspiracy: The Birthers.
Out of the gaze of the mainstream and even the conservative media is a flourishing culture of advocates, theorists and lawyers, all devoted to proving that Barack Obama isn't eligible to be president of the United States.
Viewed as irrelevant by the White House, and as embarrassing by much of the Republican Party, the subculture still thrives from the conservative website WorldNetDaily, which claims that some 300,000 people have signed a petition demanding more information on Obama's birth, to Cullman, Alabama, where Sen. Richard Shelby took a question on the subject at a town hall meeting last week.
Their confinement to the fringe hasn't cooled the passion of believers; the obscure New York preacher James Manning turned up at a National Press Club session in December to declare the president "the most notorious criminal in the history not just of America, but of this entire planet."
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You don't have to be a citizen to join the military, although you'll need documentation of legal resident status. You do have to be a citizen to be a commissioned officer, but for that naturalization paper, or other proof of citizenship, will serve as well as a birth certificate. You'll also need some proof of age, since there are age limits for both enlistment and commissioning, although they've recently been raised to pretty old values.
Can I suggest an alternative to debunking the birthers? I think they're every bit the crackpots that you do, but why waste energy on that? Instead, just ignore the birthers and spend your precious time exposing the socialist policies that are going to have life-long consequences for every American alive today.
“She had to get a copy of her Birth Certificate when she applied for a commission. It looks EXACTLY the same as Barry’s. If it’s good enough for the DOD, it’s good enough for me. “
I think the point you’re missing, in trying to make these two situations analogous, is that you’re sister didn’t have the DOD rely on an online version she posted.
Furthermore, I’m guessing your sister was born after 1972, which was the date, if I’m remembering correctly, that Hawaii stopped allowing BCs for people born out of state/country.
Finally, are you sure they’re the same? Does your sister’s say “accepted” or “filed”?
So, the conclusion you are forced to cling to is that the Governor of the great state of HI is implying that the state is in the business of keeping on file FRAUDULENT birth certificates. USE SOME COMMON SENSE
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No asshat, what I said was that your statement was false and a lie and it is. Provide links next time you try to post false information. Lingle said she never sealed anything. His is sealed as are all others and his was handled no differently. She was pissed that the press said she sealed his when she did no such thing. She was a Palin supporter. Get your facts straight.
Facts are not allowed on these threads and you will be castigated for them. Some people don’t need evidence for their hairbrained theories and grasp at very tiny straws. They could have a picture of Obama being born on the courthouse steps next to a judge with a newspaper and it wouldn’t matter a bit. It is silly. It is embarrassing. Get on to the real business of opposing Obama and forget about this gigantic loser of an issue.
Big_Monkey is dense and he must be on duty today. Guess the regular obots have Sunday off.
I do not have any confidence that Medved has really researched this issue, he is light on the facts and long on invective.
OK, I share the title of ignorant douche bag with Ben Smith. At least we do know that it is being fought, whether the effort is funded by 0bama or not.
Can you tell me who is pushing the effort? Is it being directed from the White House or from various left wing organizations? Somebody is fighting this. America has the right to know who. Thanks in advance for any insight you can share.
Aye, it’s a truism that the more vile the name-calling the less the facts and research that back it up.
Obama had many conversations with that man, who was born in Kansas, moved to Chicago, and then moved to Hawaii.
It seems rather odd.
Hey, “alternative theories” are admissible, in criminal Court, as far as reasonable doubt is concerned.
There really isn't that much, on a Birth Certificate, that could “embarrass” someone, and I am guessing that Obama’s certificate MUST show a paternity issue or a geography issue, as there aren't really any other options.
Logic, not speculation, sir.
Ask your State Legislature to pass a bill requiring a Birth Certificate from anyone who seeks the Electors of that state, in any POTUS ballot or caucus.
Monkey, again, IF a Certificate exists, that fact alone does not PROVE “natural born” status, as such a certificate can be issued, even for the foreign born.
The first is true, as verified by both the Governor and the head of the Health Department (or that part of it, the Department of Health Statistics" which maintains birth and marriage records). The second and third have yet to be verified. We don't know if the certificate was filed by the grandparens, or by a hospital registrar. The state just takes the word of witnesses in the case of a non hospital birth. Thus it would good to know if Barry's is one of those, which the original would indicate, but the Certification does not.
I suspect that the original does have at least the same date of birth as the posted image of the Certification, since that information has been corroborated by the announcement in two different newspapers, and by the Indonesian school record which shows that same date. The place of birth may or may not agree, although that school record also shows Honolulu as the place of birth.
But if the long form birth certificate is for a non hospital birth, with a grandparent as witness, then it may not contain the correct information, with the state being as "hoodwinked" as much as anyone else.
The governor is not allowed to view the certificate eitehr, so she cannot possibly have verified what is on it. The same goes for anyone else, other than the clerk who input the data from the original into the state database, however long ago that might have been. But it remains true that there is more information on the Certificate, or implied by the absence of certain information on it, than is available from the Certification.
Can I suggest an alternative to debunking the birthers? I think they’re every bit the crackpots that you do, but why waste energy on that?
***Good advice.
Bill Clinton had the Vince Foster “murder.”
***Evidence of bias even on the very first sentence. Bill Clinton had the Paula Jones sexual harrassment lawsuit where she contended that he dropped his pants and asked her for oral sex.
Obama lets his “bother” rot in a shack, in Kenya, while Obama fights all of these legal battles about his true heritage? Why?
I do not think Obama will be removed from office, over this, but he can be embarrassed by it, far more than any harm that might come, to conservatives.
How do I know this? Because Obama told me this, in his own court documents!
Obama is famous because of a book.
How many people, in this country, have been completely humiliated after their “autobiographies” or their “non-fiction” work turned out to be bogus?
It is very likely that Obama CAN serve as POTUS, BUT -— it is also very likely that he has lied, repeatedly, in his telling of his own life story. Lied in his books, lied in his college admission paperwork, lied on his passport applications, lied on his bar applications.
Obama set the bar very, very high. He promised the most “transparent” and “open” administration in history.
This issue, all by itself, proves Obama to be a liar and a fraud, whatever the outcome.
That's it folks. Let's wrap it up and go home. He was born in Honolulu.
First of all, I think it would help you cause if you kept the name calling to a minimum. That is what the do at DU.
Second, my original statement and you original reply is below. How it relates to this last post of yours is, well frankly, lost on me.
"This is ridiculous. The REPUBLICAN Governor of the state and the Lt. Governor (the de facto HI Secretary of State) have both said that the Obama Hawaiian birth certificate is LEGITIMATE.
_____________________ THAT IS A BALD FACED LIE. THEY NEVER SAID THAT..........stop lying. Post the links, show me where they said what you think they said. Link has to be from a reputable source, not from some moonbats blog.
I looked for Lingle's original quote, but couldn't find it. Let me point you to an article that was posted by DJ Reyes on 10/31/08 in the Honolulu Star Bulletin. It addresses this issue and includes a statement by the State Health Director, Chiyome Fukino
http://blogs.starbulletin.com/inpolitics/certified/
The best quote is this one, and it is completely unambiguous...
“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawaii Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
“No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawaii.”
Now, to continue to claim that this isn't the folly of some conspiracy theorists, then the following MUST be true.
No few than 5 Hawaiian state employees or elected officials are engaged in a cover up, on behalf of Barack Obama.
Does that really sound reasonable to you.
“There really isn’t that much, on a Birth Certificate, that could “embarrass” someone, and I am guessing that Obama’s certificate MUST show a paternity issue or a geography issue, as there aren’t really any other options.”
I read that in one of BO’s books, he stated that he found his BC, and it caused him great joy.
So, in addition to your hypotheses, I would add that the BC must say something that was a surprise to him, something he didn’t know. A different date of birth or the name of the specific hospital wouldn’t have anything to do with joy, one way or the other, but a parent’s identity or place of birth might.
The quote Starwise chose as post #1 is instructive of an agenda.
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